2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

defenceman

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Hi,
how this laser bean work against in coming missiles around the range of 20 miles,
in case of volley of missiles how many can be stoped I think 1/2 can still sneak before
been burn out & it depends on the time how long the laser will take down single missile
within its range.
thank you
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Power consumption is less of an issue, considering how "overpowered" 055 is, in any case a 300kW laser is not going add a lot more burden to a 4X28MW ship.

Space though is an issue. IMO only when lasers are considered to be superior to CIWS will we start to see lasers on board replacing things like 1130.

Another possibility is perhaps redesigning the integrated mast to leave room for lasers system, this would be the optimal solution giving laser turret the topmost position with clear los and better range against sea skimmers

I think you may have confused ship propulsion system with ship electrical generation and usage.

The 055 DDGs use COGAG propulsion system, where 4x CGT-25M gas turbine engines provide ~27MW each (or ~108MW total) to propel the ship forward in water during full speed dash (30+ knots).

However, these gas turbine engines are only meant for the ship's propulsion, and is not connected to the shipboard electrical grid that powers everything else (i.e. radars, sensors, computing systems, weaponry etc etc). The latter is powered by a separate, yet-to-be-publicized number and models of diesel and/or gas turbine engines.

Only in the case of IEPS configuration would the CGT-25Ms be responsible for both the propulsion and electrical grid systems of the ship, of which the 055 DDGs are clearly not the case.

Moreover, a "300-kW laser CIWS" does not mean that only 300kW of power supply is needed to power said platform. The actual required power supply is actually much greater, considering that there are plenty of parts of the platform that would require power as well (with the cooling functions being one of the most prominent), as per calculations by the US Navy on the power and effectiveness of DEW systems some years ago (posted by SOYO on Weibo):
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As can be seen, a 300-kW laser CIWS actually requires a 1.2MW power supply.

Last but not least - Laser CIWS is only meant to be complementary to the existing gun-based Type 1130 CIWS and missile-based HHQ-10 CIWS, and not to supersede, let alone replace them.
 
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AndrewJ

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(Just in) According to a later interview for CJ-1000 crew after the parade, CJ-1000 has capability to attack targets not only on the ground, and at sea, but also in the air !? Which means it can be used as a hypersonic SAM ranged over 2000km+? :eek:

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Here's the transcript from the interview for the CJ-1000 crew:
During the grand September 3rd military parade, the Rocket Force's Long Sword-1000 cruise missile, China's first hypersonic cruise missile, features flexible maneuverability, powerful penetration, and instant launch, enabling precise strikes against key targets in land, sea, and air.

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In Guancha Trios' program tonight, they mentioned it in a joke tone, maybe CJ-1000's warhead can split into several PL-XX missiles at its end flying phase? :p

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Tomboy

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(Just in) According to a later interview for CJ-1000 crew after the parade, CJ-1000 has capability to attack targets not only on the ground, and at sea, but also in the air !? Which means it can be used as a hypersonic SAM ranged over 2000km+? :eek:

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It's meant to hit AEWC and force multipliers if I interpreted the interview correctly, they said "海陆空体系节点目标" or able to target naval, land and air nodes.
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Or they could mean hitting airport and other airforce facilities.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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(Just in) According to a later interview for CJ-1000 crew after the parade, CJ-1000 has capability to attack targets not only on the ground, and at sea, but also in the air !? Which means it can be used as a hypersonic SAM ranged over 2000km+? :eek:

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Here's the transcript from the interview for the CJ-1000 crew:


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In Guancha Trios' program tonight, they said it in a joke tunge, maybe CJ-1000's warhead can split into several PL-XX missiles at its end flying phase? :p

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My reply cross-posted here to press down the "hype".

The narrator said "体系节点目标", meaning "System Node Targets". For aerial context, this can certainly refer to enemy airbases and facilities & infrastructure (e.g. radar sites, communication antennas, SAM sites) which support the operations of the enemy air forces, not necessarily (and definitely not, IMHO) enemy aerial assets.

One more thing - Why would you need multiple-100 kilograms of warhead powered by a massive hypersonic cruise missile just to shoot down an enemy AEW&C aircraft, all when one or two ULRAAMs with only double-digit kilograms of warhead each is/are already sufficient to do the job?

Can you explain the rationale, or did my high school physics failed me here?
 

Gloire_bb

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One more thing - Why would you need multiple-100 kilograms of warhead powered by a massive hypersonic cruise missile just to shoot down an enemy AEW&C aircraft, all when one or two ULRAAMs with only double-digit kilograms of warhead each is/are already sufficient to do the job?
SAM warhead is meant to compensate for it's terminal agility. That's why some older SAMs had ridiculous warheads, and some still have quite heavy ones(s-300/hq-9 for example)
 
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