2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

[Tomboy]

It's a very odd and non specific way of saying though because AEWC, tankers and EW aircraft are definitely considered major nodes of a modern airforce.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

SAM warhead is meant to compensate for it's terminal agility. That's why some older SAMs gad ridiculous warheads.

It's a very odd and non specific way of saying though because AEWC, tankers and EW aircraft are definitely considered major nodes of a modern airforce.

Are SAMs of today still as ridiculously bad, such that multiple hundreds (and I mean multiple) of kilograms of warhead is needed just to hit and down enemy aircrafts, which more often than not instantly becomes unflyable as soon as they lost a major part of their wings or stabilizers?

In fact, why are we even considering large-sized strategic HCMs that aren't just fielded by the effing PLARF, but obviously meant for land-attack and anti-ship strike missions for SAM missions now? Like, what the hell?

 

[Gloire_bb]

Are SAMs of today still as ridiculously bad, such that multiple hundreds (and I mean multiple) of kilograms of warhead is needed just to hit and down enemy aircrafts, which more often than not becomes unflyable as soon as they lost a major part of their wings or stabilizers?

It isn't about today or being bad, more about chosen aerodynamics.
I don't think it can, but if it can - expecting direct hit with HGM is rather unlikely, accuracy against aerial target is likely to be marginal at best.

In fact, why are we even considering large-sized strategic HCMs that aren't just fielded by the effing PLARF, but obviously meant for land-attack and anti-ship strike missions for SAM missions now? Like, what the hell?

Idea of using supersonic ASCMs against aerial targets isn't new though.

 

[Dante80]

It is 300KW.

I wouldn't trust that one report, personally.
The estimated size of the asset, as well as the fact that it was shown in a somewhat convincing land configuration points to a power rating at most half as that.

Of course, we will have to see how this unfolds.

 

[Gloire_bb]

I wouldn't trust that one report, personally.
The estimated size of the asset, as well as the fact that it was shown in a somewhat convincing land configuration points to a power rating at most half as that.

Of course, we will have to see how this unfolds.

I asked people in the field, they are somewhat sceptical it can fit in one such vehicle. Current world level is more like 2-3.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

It isn't about today or being bad, more about chosen aerodynamics.
I don't think it can, but if it can - expecting direct hit with HGM is rather unlikely, accuracy against aerial target is likely to be marginal at best.

And what makes you believe that having singular warhead that weighs multiple 100s of kilograms is going to solve the problem? Nobody is fielding nuclear-tipped SAMs and AAMs (which obviously have much greater explosive power than the conventional warheads of land/surface-attack missiles today) today and going forward for plenty of good reasons.

Idea of using supersonic ASCMs against aerial targets isn't new though.

And are there any successful fielding and deployments, let alone actual successful use cases in combat?

If anything - Having dedicated ULRAAMs and/or ULRSAMs (of which the CJ-1000 is certainly not designed to be) is actually a much more overall effective and meaningful option than trying to shoehorning a cruise missile into an anti-aircraft missile.

 

[Gloire_bb]

And what makes you believe that having singular warhead that weighs multiple 100s of kilograms is going to solve the problem?

This a very established design procedure in aa warfare, the lower your terminal agility, the larger mean error, the more warhead you need to bring. Especially against bigger planes, which often can be unpredictably survivable.

And are there any successful fielding and deployments, let alone actual use cases in combat?

None, but firsts aren't illegal. I'm but an observer here - it isn't impossible; whatever capability it was required to have ultimately is up to CMC and PLARF...

 

[Dante80]

I asked people in the field, they are somewhat sceptical it can fit in one such vehicle. Current world level is more like 2-3.

That is one of the reasons for the more tame power rating.

My personal hunch is that if there was another vehicle as part of the system, it would have been inspected too yesterday.

This a very established design procedure in aa warfare, the lower your terminal agility, the larger mean error, the more warhead you need to bring.

None, but firsts aren't illegal. I'm but an observer here - it isn't impossible; whatever capability it was required to have ultimately is up to CMC and PLARF...

I get your point but in this specific instance, it is far more logical to assume that the info we got was simply wrong, misreported or taken out of context.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

This a very established design procedure in aa warfare, the lower your terminal agility, the larger mean error, the more warhead you need to bring. Especially against bigger planes, which often can be unpredictably survivable.

None, but firsts aren't illegal. I'm but an observer here - it isn't impossible; whatever capability it was required to have ultimately is up to CMC and PLARF...

I suppose nobody is going to reasonably justify why it is completely and absolutely viable and feasible for the PLA to turn a strategic-level HCM meant for land/ship-attack missions into a ULRSAM, then?

But what do I even expect here...

 

[bebops]

I love the fact that Trump tweeted about it right at the start

It basically confirmed that he was watching it with me. Felt like a watch party with your best mates

There was a news piece circulating that he was invited to go to the parade. Maybe his admin doesn't want him to attend