2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

Gloire_bb

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I suppose nobody is going to reasonably justify why it is completely and absolutely viable and feasible for the PLA to turn a strategic-level HCM meant for land/ship-attack missions into a ULRSAM, then?
Close kill chain on predictable aerial targets at significant stand off from mainland?
You can imagine effects it can have on any airlift, for example.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Close kill chain on predictable aerial targets at significant stand off from mainland?
You can imagine effects it can have on any airlift, for example.

I can have ULRSAMs and/or ULRAAMs to do the same with much greater efficiency (of which the former have been discussed in some academic papers from sometime ago, with unverified rumors of it being currently under development) whilst also minimizing the unnecessary costings on the finite material and effort available to the PLA and its related institutes.

Sorry to rain in the parade - But the CJ-1000 is NOT it.
 

mack8

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Well, we have to give it to our bro KJU, getting DPRK elevated alongside the superpowers China and Russia is a remarcable diplomatic achievement. Who knows, maybe DPRK, Russia (and China) will invade liberate the US in 2040!:D
 

GTI

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I can have ULRSAMs and/or ULRAAMs to do the same with much greater efficiency (of which the former have been discussed in some academic papers from sometime ago, with unverified rumors of it being currently under development) whilst also minimizing the unnecessary costings on the finite material and effort available to the PLA and its related institutes.

Sorry to rain in the parade - But the CJ-1000 is NOT it.
EDIT: hahaha, had misread your comment (we’re kind of saying the same thing), and also replying to the wrong comment (as the thread’s very active right now)! Will still leave the following comment up for posterity:

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Don’t you recall the academic paper (or was it credible rumour?) about China researching or developing SAMs with over 1000km range?

And I wouldn’t even consider them “SAMs” anymore, more like a back up AAM magazine, in a sense similar to off-board weapons on a CCA or UADF.

The concept is also similar to how any enemy naval asset, that is in contact with a PLAN / PLAAF asset within let’s say 2000km of China, is also then theoretically in contact with PLARF, if required. Provided they (PLA asset) of course have adequate sensors to help cue the incoming DFs to save their butts.

This would be great for time sensitive high-value air targets that are large, not manoeuvrable, and slow. It also drastically widens the window of opportunity to take a shot. For example, you could have a VLO (V)HA(V)LE ISR UAV (e.g. Malan flying wing) nearish to Guam or Diego Garcia, it could even manage to passively detect unsuspecting AEW&Cs through their emissions, or use EO/IRST (if equipped) to detect sortieing B-2/1s from above. Why not use that small window of opportunity to call in long range anti-air missiles from the mainland?

Not saying CJ-1000 has swappable missiles, only exploring the concept further — Something like the YJ-19 isn’t even that big or extremely dissimilar from an AA missile, a booster the size of CJ-1000’s could get it pretty far before separation and the scramjet ignition. The missile itself could also be lighter and/or longer and slimmer.

To me this all goes back to PLAAF’s doctrine for next generation air combat, as well as the broader PLA multi-domain intelligentized [whatever other adjectives] warfare doctrine.

Domains are merging. Remember, we have PLAAF slowly evolving air combat reminiscent of early 20th century naval warfare. Also, if I had an Air Cruiser (Air Dominance Fighter as alternate term?), or an Air Battleship, I’d also want to exploit those nice big IWBs by putting “HC-ULRAAMs” in them. They’d similarly be cued to target by another component or node in the multi-domain kill web (like a CCA, supported by optical or synthetic aperture radar satellites, and within detection range of a B-21).
 
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Temstar

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Well, we have to give it to our bro KJU, getting DPRK elevated alongside the superpowers China and Russia is a remarcable diplomatic achievement. Who knows, maybe DPRK, Russia (and China) will invade liberate the US in 2040!:D
Some people when the moment is upon them prefer to do nothing and watch their allies fight on their own and fall one by one, then continues to do nothing but launch a handful of missiles and then get bombed by Israel and US with impunity.

Other people when the moment is upon them goes all in and opens up three generations worth of ammo store for business and sends his best troops to get bloodied in Kursk. Proves to his own people that KPA is legit and worthy of all that resources devoted to it and the soldiers are quite capable of adapting to modern battlefield fill with FPVs and not the stereotype that the west paint them to be.

One has earned his United Front value and the other has not, and as result their treatment at the parade couldn't be more different.
 
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mack8

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Some people when the moment is upon them do nothing but launch a handful of missiles and then get bombed by Israel and US with impunity.

Other people when the moment is upon them goes all in and opens up three generations worth of ammo store for business and sends his best troops to get bloodied in Kursk. Proves to his own people that KPA is legit and worthy of all that resources devoted to it and the soldiers are quite capable of adapting to modern battlefield fill with FPVs and not the stereotype that the west paint them to be.

One has earned his United Front value and the other has not.
I cannot agree more, Iran could have been there too, but unfortunately they're run by cucks. Big mouths, weak spines.
But i'm probably getting way off-topic.
 

Ringsword

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Who cares about that dumb tart, she probably has fewer working neurons than her age is.
Wihout the Russians she would be living as an ancillary part of the German Nazi Empire....but upon further reflection on today's geopolitics and with Trump tearing their westoid mask of "democracy freedom" etc off-the new 4th Nazi Reich is exactly what Kallas and her ilk want(blond and all aryan types}
 

enroger

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HCM anti-air is technically feasible, the problem is whether long range detection(against B2/B21 cruise missile raid) can support such a tactic
 
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