The Kashmir conflict 2025.

[Black Wolf]

Excellent postmortem of IAF chief's statement by Parvin Sawhney....

 

[AlexYe]

The most sane person in Indian defence circle Pravin Sawhney, as usual shares his perspective on yesterday's press conference by IAF chief, A.P Singh.

The Document/press release he mentions about yesterdays ACM event


Makes no mention of any of the claims he made, they didnt put it on writing
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[manqiangrexue]

1. “I don’t care about India enough to dig deep... but it’s funny.”​

If you openly admit you don’t care to study the country seriously, then why speak with such certainty about it? You can’t claim India is failing across the board while also saying you have no interest in understanding how it actually functions. That’s not analysis — that’s just projection dressed up as commentary.

No, certain topics do not require much in depth investment to understand. Everything I see about India is rotten, so there is no reason to look further. If a steak is rancid, gray, and stinks, I don't have to waste ingredients cooking it up to prove it tastes bad. That's India.

2. “Why would people want change if they think India did well?”​

That logic assumes people only demand change when there’s public humiliation. Not true. Reform often comes from institutional self-assessment, not Twitter outrage. The Kargil conflict led to major structural changes despite India claiming strategic victory. Same goes for the 1962 war — humiliation led to complete doctrinal overhaul, but not because the public demanded it.

Defense is a closed ecosystem. Reforms are usually top-down, slow, and barely ever driven by mass opinion — in any country. That includes Pakistan and China too.

And yet all those changes led to the IAF being completely demolished by the PAF so I rest my case, there is no real improvement. And you also have to understand that improving slower than your rivals is the opposite of improving; that's falling behind. Anybody can improve compared to themselves, but international power dynamics is a race.

3. “If public perception doesn’t matter, that’s corruption.”​

No — it’s called civil-military separation. In almost every country, strategic decisions and military reforms are not determined by public polls. The U.S. didn’t build the F-35 program because of public outrage. Russia didn’t reform its army due to social media pressure. These processes happen internally — slow, bureaucratic, and largely out of public view.

It's not direct civilian demands on the military, but civilian demands on the government and government demands on the military.

Calling that “corruption” is a misuse of the term. If anything, India’s problem is excessive red tape and inefficiency — not deliberate deception to suppress reform.

It's both; there is demonstrably deliberate deception, which you admitted but pretended was normal. What is the purpose? To suppress outrage and demoralization, both of which lead to deep reflection and the possibility to foundational improvement. But not in India, because there is deliberate shameless deception.

4. “You’re Indianly imagining success; Pakistan blew IAF out of the sky.”​

Again — emotionally loaded, factually weak.

I have no emotions for Pakistan or India. PAF's domination is factually irrefutable. India's verbal response was factually nonexistant.

A few jets downed>>achieving mission objectives seems to be the general view held on these defense forums and that's totally expected. Fortunately, the military apparatus and think tanks have a different view than the forums or media.

Only India's spin machine, which you're drinking from, thinks that way. Every military in the world knows that losing 5 jets without inflicting any losses on the enemy is total disaster. But it's not for India, because for Indians, when they get demolished, the way to calculate victory/defeat is more complicated than the equation for lightspeed travel.

IAF's objective was to hit the terror camps and it did so spectacularly, even releasing missile kill feed and satellite imagery.

I don't think so. I have seen no evidence that India hit anything of importance in those strikes.

Pakistan Air Force, despite fully knowing that India was gonna strike, could not stop it from striking those camps.

Those whats? What was the damage you inflicted? It's said that they were not stopped because there was nothing of value there, unlike the billion dollars worth of jets that the PAF shot down.

Yes, you downed a few jets

Shot down multiple of the crown jewels of the IAF

but the enemy had already achieved its original objective. If you believe that no terrorist died then prove to me this

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is fake

This photo is of people attending a funeral. It is well-known that civilians incuding children died in India's terrorist strikes on Pakistan. If serves as no evidence whatsoever that terrorists were killed. This level of "evidence" is tantamount to finding any photo online and making up whatever story you want behind it.

Also, this event cannot be seen as a pointer to how an actual India-Pakistan war would go as historically, as in every war that they have fought, Pakistan has always started big and then slowly faltered or failed to achieve objectives, ultimately stalemating or losing the war and their territory in the process.

LOL You like history? How did India do against China last time? You wanna talk about territory? All of Pakistan used to be a part of India.

 

[manqiangrexue]

5. “What’s India doing to improve? Just lying.”​

Actually, India has been investing in a variety of upgrades post-2019 and we'll see even more post Op Sindoor:

• Ordering more indigenous Tejas MK1A jets and pushing MK2 and AMCA programs forward. I am sure you follow them very closely despite you personally viewing India as a joke.

LOLOL inflated sense of self-importance I see. Hell no. I actually have no idea how many of those little toys you made. Tejas is barely as serious as Iran's F-313 to me.

• Acquiring Rafale-Ms for carrier operations and developing indigenous naval fighters.

Oh yes I know that; I know very well it's India's old disease to buy extremely overpriced foreign crap and get them shot down. More of the same, then?

• Accelerating S-400 air defense integration and developing an Indian equivalent of it.
• Expanding its UAV fleet with MQ-9B SeaGuardians and indigenous UAVs. RPSE is in advanced design stages and prototype development is slated to start soon, technology demonstrator has been flying for over a year.

Let's see some results. If those things could as improvment, then every country can lis the things they do as evidence of improvement.

Not perfect? Far from it. But “doing nothing” is just incorrect. You’re equating public silence and institutional delays with institutional inaction. That’s just lazy reading of events.

Moving slower than your enemy is moving backwards. Listing the mundane things that every airforce does as maintanence upkeep with the times shows that India's basically doing nothing.

6. “You’re saying lying isn’t embarrassing. That’s India in a nutshell.”​

No — I’m saying information management during war is normal, not admirable. Lying happens everywhere, from Israel to the US to China to Pakistan.

Once again, lying is not all the same, just like damage to cars isn't all the same. You didn't rebut the point of India's outlier extremes in lying; you just repeated the point that everyone lies despite India doing it far more and to a far greater extreme.

If you think Pakistan didn't lie during Kargil, or China didn't downplay Galwan, you're in denial.

Downplay what Galwan? India did one cowardly ambush on 5 negotiators and it was all downhill for you from there. The more you ran your mouths the more clips the PLA released humiliating you with the truth. And it ended with India's unilateral withdrawal when China started moving military assets to the region. Sure, you have your own made up shit version, but I'll let that slide because it's actually normal for you to downplay that. Much milder compared to losing 5 jets with scraps on the ground photographed with the Indian flag and serial number, then claiming Pakistan lost 5 with no evidence whatsoever.

The difference? Some nations are just better at packaging it. India’s public nature makes it easier to spot and meme. Doesn’t mean others aren’t doing the same — just with tighter state control and fewer leaks.

The difference? Other countries may downplay the truth; India creates and entire alternate reality to escape to.

You’re basing your entire argument on the assumption that India officially denied all losses, but that’s just not true.
In both the 2019 and 2025 incidents, the Indian military publicly acknowledged its own aircraft losses — including the MiG-21 in 2019 and other aircraft in 2025. These weren’t covered up in press briefings or denied in official statements. What you’re likely referring to are claims made by social media accounts, news anchors, or random Twitter users — none of which represent the Indian military’s official stance represented by the Serving (not retired) chiefs and personnel. In the press conferences and Interviews, losses were never denied ,but just not answered straightforwardly as "Yes we lost X amount of fighters" and neither was "No we did not lose a single fighter at all" was heard at all.
Let’s not confuse public chatter with military briefings.

No, I know that at first, India pretended that they lost nothing, then admitted it when it became too difficult to cover, but then made up stories about enemy losses.

If you’re going to criticize “uniquely Indian lying,” at least make sure you’re quoting the actual institution, not some nationalist meme page.

The actual institution like the air force with its chief claiming 5 imaginary shootdowns which he didn't know the model but knew were Chinese? LOL

In the end, the whole point about how India never improves because it never acknowledges its failures but dresses them up as celebrable victories is proven again and again with the Indian posters here like yourself defending India's actions. If China failed as badly as you, we would just all shut up from embarrassment, stay offline, go study STEM, build up our country, then resume the conversation 50 years later when the situation is vastly different. But here you are with your 2,000 word essay on why all of India's failures are no big deal and no bad sign. That's exactly the attitude I like to see from hostile nations.

 

[TK3600]

There is no need to waste your time replying to an AI.

 

[Equation]

There is no need to waste your time replying to an AI.

There is "artificial" but no "intelligence."

 

[TK3600]

There is "artificial" but no "intelligence."

Artificial Indian.

 

[_killuminati_]

Even by their own admission the “kills” were achieved via S-400 and not jets. Seems like an admission that their aviation arm is useless.

After 3 months of relative silence, you'd expect them to atleast produce a plausible narrative, even if false, and not something so laughable as S-400 shoots down everything including an AWACS unit. Not only is the aviation useless but also their propaganda department.

 

[Ringsword]

Didn't this FighterHead user request earlier on for his account to be deleted coz he didn't want to be doxxed or some stuff?

And yet now all of a sudden he's back on this forum with such convenient timing. And using AI to do his posting for him too.

The jaihindiots are panicking-I have never seen such a stupid "self-goal" on a global/national scale as this epic piece of stupidity by india.No other AF or even nation will take these lying people seriously anymore-butthurt supreme.

 

[lube]

After 3 months of relative silence, you'd expect them to atleast produce a plausible narrative, even if false, and not something so laughable as S-400 shoots down everything including an AWACS unit. Not only is the aviation useless but also their propaganda department.

It was so bad you'd almost think the airforce chief is being held hostage and sabotaging the government by doing the bare minimum he was ordered to do. Then again, maybe he was actually forced to come up with something without notice to deflect attention away from voter fraud.

Blink twice if you're under duress.