Pakistan-China relations dates back to 1960's, so that is a special relationship that has been built over decades. Not easy to replicate with other countries.
2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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Vietnamese shot down 10k US planes in a conventional war. They also fought conventional battles like Battle of Khe Sanh, an army Corp level conventional maneuver with tanks, artillery and air power on both sides. During Operation Linebacker and Linebacker 2, the US lost dozens of literally irreplaceable B-52s in air to air combat.
US also never occupied North Vietnam. In fact they couldn't even invade it. It wasn't for a lack of trying either, as they lost the border battle at Khe Sanh and lost their rematch at Dewey Canyon. They were in South Vietnam as a nominal ally but mostly killed Southern civilians.
Imagine if Russia couldn't invade Ukraine at all because it was defeated at a hypothetical Battle of Southern Kherson, got the entire Russian Air Force shot down, and they took out their anger by shooting a bunch of people in Crimea and Donetsk before Ukrainian Leopards blasted through Sevastopol and the Russian black sea commanders fled by clinging to helicopters.
Muslims need these kinds of slaps to start removing their divisions and start uniting against the common threat that is Israel and its western backers. If all the muslims in the middle east get their act together, 350 million of them will overwhelm Israel in a week. Iran and Turkey are actually quite good in this. They have the industrial capacity, education and good leadership to develop strong military capabilities. Gulf Arabs are ofcource completely hopeless but all these Israeli attacks could give them the shock to start allying more with Iran and Turkey rather than consider them enemies.
I think in the long term Israel will be destroyed and Israelis will be forced to flee to Europe and US. But it will be a long process. US spending its energy to save Israel is the energy it cannot use against China, Russia and rest of the world. So, its a good thing for the rest of the world as well.
They have US backing for one.
But another thing that might offend some middle eastern posters here is unfortunately, most countries in the middle east are like level 10 and Israel is level 50 in terms of competency. These guys literally teamed up against Israel in the past and got all their planes blown up in a few days. Its basically a pro guy farming the noob servers. Iran was supposed to be different coz they are Persians or whatever but right now sadly that may not be the case.
Turns out any "secure" locations in Iran are not secure actually...
The real rats will never get striked.
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manqiangrexue
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Verrry very optimistic view of what they can do seeing what they are currently doing.
I think.... yeah I think that'd be even more satisfying than retaking Taiwan right now. But realistically for that to happen, China would be the main force in global power shift and we would have to muzzle and leash the West in a new Pax Sinica. Muslims alone cannot do it.
Its full sunny morning in Israel, how can this be live video if its showing night time?
China was doing far worse in the 1920-30s. Muslims also had quite a dominating presence against europe under the early ottoman empire. So, its not like Muslims have never been strong.
If we look at the big picture for the last several centuries. Muslim lands in the middle east was united under one Ottoman empire for a long time. Only this last century did it break up into pieces and gotten weak in the process. The geography and culture there is suitable for another reconsolidation into a more united state but it will take some time for it to happen. Middle East is now going through its own century of humiliation but that could be the catalyst that creates the right mindset and leadership to get more united and focused on development. Essentially this is modernisation by foreign humiliation