2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[FairAndUnbiased]

Again, everyone seems to underestimate the power and leverage Israel has in the region. Israel's combo of the most advanced western weaponry and CIA-Mossad intelligence is unmatched. Iran has no way of acquiring advanced weaponry and blaming the success of this attack on Iranian narcissism among other things isn't a good approach.

Compare Iran to Pakistan.

Pakistan is poorer in every way yet they couldn't even be infiltrated by either the US or India.

This is while Indians can literally speak Urdu and some of top Indian leadership was even born in Pakistan ie PM Manmohan Singh.

Israel and Iran share no significant demographic groups, how the f they infiltrate if it wasn't for willing traitors?

 

[enroger]

rats everywhere. Too late for house-cleaning now

Look on the bright side, maybe Israel accidentally killed a bunch of Iranian traitors with their strikes....

 

[Randomuser]

Iran is afraid of conflict with Israel thats what they are. Israel has been slowly and steadily cutting off all of its proxies the past year and a half. And Iran has seemingly just laid down and taken it. When Israel does strike Iran, they give a disproportionately weak response as a “warning”. What kind of good does that do for them? They’re not establishing deterrence with that, the Israelis will be emboldened and simply strike again, even harder the next time. The insane passivity that Iran is demonstrating when Israel is clearly out for regime collapse is baffling, like hell the existence of your state is in the line here and you’re just out here issuing strong statements.

I agree. You have to do something like what Pakistan did against India. Have to make them know if you throw a punch, expect to get a punch back just as hard. Only then will they understand.

 

[enroger]

Confirmed: Reuters confirmed Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is alive.

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They purposefully kept this one alive didn't they

 

[tamsen_ikard]

Could also be internal division. There's a strong undercurrent against the Islamic theocracy for some time now. At its core Iran is a Persian culture hijacked by fundamentalists following the failure of the US backed regime.

Iranians are incredibly intelligent, they are heavily represented within the STEM field and from those I've seen are humble and sincere. Unlike another culture which is also heavily represented in STEM.

I would not be surprised moles hoping to shake things up willingly providing Intel to the Israelis to weaken the government and steer it towards a more moderate stance.

There is no way there can be proper democracy in Iran now. After this crisis, it will get even more hardline anti-west leadership, or it will break up into pieces due to fighting by various ethnic groups. Azeris, kurds, Arabs and Persians will not be under one country unless there is a strong unified theme to hold them together. That strong unified theme is the Shia Islamic theocracy. Without this, Iran is gone as a nation.

 

[talonn]

I remembered Iran did asked China for warplanes but China rejected them.

At this point, there is no way for China to help Iran unlike Pakistan unless they both bordered to each other. There are several countries between Iran and China so it is not easy for China to deliver weapons to them.

I felt like after Israel/US got rid of one of their roadblock, Iran. U.S and its allies will set their sights on China next. Possible preemptive strike in the next several years? I hope China is ready for the possible scenario.

just my two cent.

China can't help Iran is also because that will jeopardise their relationship with Pakistan

 

[Franklin]

Israel is a rogue nation that is completely out of control.

 

[neutralobserver]

Iran's indecision has proven profoundly costly. They have abandoned their proxies one by one, they let Israel operate with impunity. They failed to establish deterrence. They continued to negotiate with the West despite knowing fully well that West will strike one day. You have to establish deterrence. Like Churchill said: “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.'

 

[tankphobia]

There is no way there can be proper democracy in Iran now. After this crisis, it will get even more hardline anti-west leadership, or it will break up into pieces due to fighting by various ethnic groups. Azeris, kurds, Arabs and Persians will not be under one country unless there is a strong unified theme to hold them together. That strong unified theme is the Shia Islamic theocracy. Without this, Iran is gone as a nation.

Yes but how has these attacks affected civilian life? Has the sanctions changed? Based on this first strike Israel can just keep killing hardliners until moderates come into power. Moderate does not mean democratic, just a return to secularism.

 

[Randomuser]

Israel is a rogue nation that is completely out of control.

They are and they will just say what will you do about it?

Force is the mother of all authorities. The middle east has been at a constant state of war since god knows how long which is proof that is the only language everyone speaks.