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Lnk111229

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A lot of history about Vietnam around this period is sadly distorted because it is viewed through the eyes of humans who like marvel movies instead of objective reality.

Vietnam beat off the evil France and USA. Therefore they are the MLK/Mandela of Asia and have to be heroes like Iron Man right?

After beating off the USA, Vietnam started getting big-headed and imposing its will on those "lesser" SEA nations around it. Nothing new btw, Vietnam used its Chinese influenced system in the past to be more develop in the past to crush champa and beat up Thailand. A lot of people esp westerners think Vietnam were just some simple ricer farmers when they were in fact a fully fledged dynasty with an emperor more than capable of taking on big guys never mind SEA. No need to pamper them like children.

So thats why China decided to go in to supposedly teach it a lesson (or rather curb its influence in SEA). Another misleading thing is technically the "war" didn't stop in 1979 since that was only a few weeks on and in fact when on till the late 1980s. And during the 1980s China learnt to better deal with Vietnam which people especially westerners tend to overlook. Btw the battle of Laoshan in 1984 showed even with huge ass forests in mountains, artillery is still the king of battle.

Thats how China sees it at least. Real history is a lot more ugly and people we want to see as good guys might not be so innocent.
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Yeah the lot of Jai Vietnam still dream about Indochina peninsula empire which is Vietnam conquer Cambodia and Laos and Thailand because why not! Lol. And one time when my family visit friends in An Giang( a province have border with Cambodia) the old guy is Vietnam vet fight in Cambodia. He point to the land under his feet and the farm land he currently farming and say this land used to belong Cambodian but after war Vietnam took it and give to him. But other hand there are justify for Vietnam fight Pol Pot. I mean Pol pot raiding and kill thousands Vietnamese ffs. So everyone is victim in their own story.
 

AndrewS

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Please disregard my last message. I didn't realize that report for 2025 was released couple of days ago.

Here are the fresh results:

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Remember this survey is obsolete, given the events in the past week with the American tariff war against ASEAN (and everyone else)
 

tokenanalyst

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tresriogrande

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Anyway the post George was commenting to:
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" 'Horrible for jobs': Shipping expert warns Trump on course to destroy US maritime commerce"
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Peter Schiff probably has never seen a parking lot in China. Cars are noticeably newer and luxurious there. He looks really smart with his balancing trade idea.
 

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The assumption that Friedman makes is that the US lawmakers and the average US citizen are rational beings who are dealing with reality.

But the US lawmakers and the average Yank is not a rational being rooted in reality. Rather they all believe in the Germanic Theory of Victory (日耳蛮赢学), in which the US is always winning because they are the US, and China is the untouchable Dalit for being a socialist state and, well, for being Chinese. Their need for the perception of "winning" and being superior, far outstrips their needs for a Joint Venture with Chinese Capital and Technologies. Besides, in their worldview, the Chinese stole all the American tech and capital in the first place.
 
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