China's SCS Strategy Thread

[coolgod]

But we hope China also understand this and don't harass us or force us to become any slave, pawn, ally or whatever.

China helped your country defend against western imperialism, your country doesn't even want to be an ally of China. Vietnamese nationalists constantly bring up China's supposed 1000+ year occupation of northern Vietnam, even though Vietnam is rightfully just a rebel breakaway province of China as it has a longer history as a province of China.

Chinese netizens characterization of Vietnam as 白眼狼 is absolutely correct, I cannot think of a more ungrateful country to China than Vietnam. I think there are still lots of room for change within the China-Vietnam relationship. There is a reason why SCSPI regularly posts about Vietnam's activities in the SCS, and why the Sino-Vietnamese war is almost never mentioned in China. The official stance on Vietnam and public sentiment about Vietnam can be easily changed on a dime. I'm not implying anything, but a divided Vietnam would be in the long term interest of China and other SEA countries.

 

[tphuang]

China helped your country defend against western imperialism, your country doesn't even want to be an ally of China. Vietnamese nationalists constantly bring up China's supposed 1000+ year occupation of northern Vietnam, even though Vietnam is rightfully just a rebel breakaway province of China as it has a longer history as a province of China.

Chinese netizens characterization of Vietnam as 白眼狼 is absolutely correct, I cannot think of a more ungrateful country to China than Vietnam. I think there are still lots of room for change within the China-Vietnam relationship. There is a reason why SCSPI regularly posts about Vietnam's activities in the SCS, and why the Sino-Vietnamese war is almost never mentioned in China. The official stance on Vietnam and public sentiment about Vietnam can be easily changed on a dime. I'm not implying anything, but a divided Vietnam would be in the long term interest of China and other SEA countries.

If Vietnamese are willing to come here and share their view point, then we should listen to their points and clearly state ours, rather than just attack them or whatever. Vietnam is its own country.

It's not a pawn of China and we should not talk about it as such.

A divided China would be in the long term interest of every country around it, but that would clearly be horrible. So, have some respect and stop inciting arguments here for no apparent reason by advocating for a divided Vietnam.

 

[coolgod]

If Vietnamese are willing to come here and share their view point, then we should listen to their points and clearly state ours, rather than just attack them or whatever. Vietnam is its own country.

It's not a pawn of China and we should not talk about it as such.

A divided China would be in the long term interest of every country around it, but that would clearly be horrible. So, have some respect and stop inciting arguments here for no apparent reason by advocating for a divided Vietnam.

I listened to his arguments, I presented arguments why Chinese people feel like Vietnam should at least be an ally.

This thread is literally called China's SCS strategy thread. Yes a divided China is in the long term interest of every country around it, that's why literally everywhere online is talking about intervening in China's reunification. You don't think Vietnamese defence forums discuss how to deal with China?

You can close your eyes to unfriendly ideas, but you can't deny that many of China's state funded assistance projects to Vietnam have been in the North. New railway connections to China and not North to South high speed rail. Subway for Hanoi and not Ho Chi Minh city. China has been trying to weaken Vietnam's grip on Cambodia and Laos for decades, rail and canal infrastructure is just part of the process. Just because the Chinese government doesn't overtly promote anti-Vietnamese topics, doesn't mean they don't exist.

China dividing strong countries on its doorsteps is not a new thing, it's been going on for millennia.

 

[duskseeker]

And that's actually what I think we're doing. We're not fooled like Pinoys who always talk about aggression and US. And I believe we won't crazy like Ukraines to ask for US or NATO


But this is wrong. I am agree that China has a lot of influences on Vietnam, and I can see that influences increase days bay days. Maybe China is the most influential countries on Vietnam. But we are not any form of slave

Agreed. There is only one nation in ASEAN that laughs at other ASEAN states because they think they are white ascendency or something. It is the Pinoys that think it is their right to play with the lives of other Asian peoples.

 

[Overbom]

Tbh everyone would love to have divided neighbors. That includes big and small countries.

However liking the idea of something doesn't also mean embracing it and actively taking direct actions to achieve that outcome. Such actions usually have such strong second and third order effects, that they better be studied extremely well unless you want an egg on your face a few decades later on

Instead, should take a long and strategic overall view of the global situation and not pay too much attention to small countries. As I said, as long as they don't take major wrong decisions there is no problem.

Finally, I think calling for division is too much. The word implies hostile intention and physical separation. Should imo use influence for this kind of thing, much more used nowdays

 

[AndrewS]

@nimitz123
@coolgod

In the event of a US-China conflict, the US will be trying to shut down shipping in the South China Seas, because most of the shipping is China-related. There's an old CSIS report on this.

However, Vietnam is a coastal littoral nation which relies on ships passing through the SCS.

If anything, Vietnamese bases in the SCS will be working together with the Chinese to keep the sea lanes open for Vietnam, China and the rest of ASEAN.

The opponent will be the US Navy

 

[coolgod]

@nimitz123
@coolgod

In the event of a US-China conflict, the US will be trying to shut down shipping in the South China Seas, because most of the shipping is China-related. There's an old CSIS report on this.

However, Vietnam is a coastal littoral nation which relies on ships passing through the SCS.

If anything, Vietnamese bases in the SCS will be working together with the Chinese to keep the sea lanes open for Vietnam, China and the rest of ASEAN.

The opponent will be the US Navy

That's an interesting take. I suppose if the scenario you proposed actually played out, China-Vietnam relations would actually advance to the next level.

 

[A potato]

I listened to his arguments, I presented arguments why Chinese people feel like Vietnam should at least be an ally.

This thread is literally called China's SCS strategy thread. Yes a divided China is in the long term interest of every country around it, that's why literally everywhere online is talking about intervening in China's reunification. You don't think Vietnamese defence forums discuss how to deal with China?

You can close your eyes to unfriendly ideas, but you can't deny that many of China's state funded assistance projects to Vietnam have been in the North. New railway connections to China and not North to South high speed rail. Subway for Hanoi and not Ho Chi Minh city. China has been trying to weaken Vietnam's grip on Cambodia and Laos for decades, rail and canal infrastructure is just part of the process. Just because the Chinese government doesn't overtly promote anti-Vietnamese topics, doesn't mean they don't exist.

China dividing strong countries on its doorsteps is not a new thing, it's been going on for millennia.

Well in the end this is Asia where everyone hates each other.

 

[AndrewS]

That's an interesting take. I suppose if the scenario you proposed actually played out, China-Vietnam relations would actually advance to the next level.

Just to clarify, Vietnam would still "officially" be neutral.
But it is in Vietnam's interests to ignore US sanctions, continue trading and ensure the sea lanes in the SCS remain open.

 

[coolgod]

Just to clarify, Vietnam would still "officially" be neutral.
But it is in Vietnam's interests to ignore US sanctions, continue trading and ensure the sea lanes in the SCS remain open.

Your idea is interesting, have you seen this scenario described anywhere else before?