But long term this will lower deterrence of foreign powers to divide and conquer. Compare this to what has happened in Europe or North America.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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China never tried seriously backing Cambodia. It had a small mission alongside the much larger American mission on the behest of the CIA, for purposes of getting goodwill so America would help us get the Russia situation under control.
Khmer rouge was the same playbook as Suharto, in these cases, we were just forced to be along with the ride in order to work on the greater problem at the time (securing the north, flipping Russia to China's side, ending Soviet threat)
I'm very sure China wants a free and independent Vietnam, otherwise it wouldn't have returned the densely populated territories after the 1979 war.
However, we have on our hands a sacred war against evil, there can be no scenario where Vietnam becomes a willing or unwilling pawn to hostile fascist powers. This is about the future of mankind. China doesn't want to ever demand Vietnam to prostate itself just to help the war effort, but it expects a reasonable degree of assistance and absolutely no betrayal. Remember, there's more than enough bombs for any wannabe yankees in additional to the real ones. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that.
ASEAN has a choice: China or America, Shanghai and Singapore or Detroit and Puerto Rico. Asia first or white supremacy first.
I don't want to start up a debate but this is totally wrong. There are numorus evidence and document proof that China have generous support to the Rouge Khmer from 1975 until mid-90s. For example from CIA.
I am seriously doubted that. Since the Vietnam war, China always want a divided Vietnam similar to Korea. China want a loyal allies, not a prosperous and powerful neigbour.
This is once again wrong. The "Densely polpulated territories" that you claimes are 3 mountainous cities, with each less than 100000 people. China wants to keep it as a border conflict, as holding these area will escalate it into a war, which may involve USSR.
Vietnam just defeat the US, the strongest nation in the world, and you still expect us to be a pawn ??? Unless China wants to use military power to force Vietnam to becomes one.
I really do not want to disrespect anyone on this forum, as I considered this is one of the best forum on internet, but this is totally B.S. I understand that we all have some form of nationalism, and in the East it's very high. But please, do some research from multiple sources, not just from propaganda.
You did not defeat the US, you successfully resisted. There's a difference. You might want to think about why you were able to do so and who supported that resistance.
Where did I say Vietnam should become a vassal? If Vietnam should be a pawn, it would be forced to send troops, money and equipment to help defend China. I don't think China should force them into that type of relation.
Dont play the Zelensky bragging game. Vietnam was not winning that war by itself anymore than Ukraine is losing today's war by itself.
Buddy it's not propaganda, it's verifiable truth on both sides. Americans think of you SEA ppl as "rice powered fucking machines". They engage in genocide whenever they think they can get away with it. They threaten to annex parts of China. They have marched forces into our shared neighborhood unprovoked.
There is an absolute good and defensive side here, and a demonic side that has done nothing but impoverish most of the globe, killed and displaced millions, who appoint leaders that openly hate anyone that isn't a white/zionist oligarchs.
When we are marched on by sauron's orcs, you as a free, independent human village on the border shouldn't say things such as "we can't be sure who to support! But we have catapult that can reach Gondor, as deterrence!". If that's the attitude many people from your village adopt, then get ready to feel the heat from our torches as well, because you and me alike know that the orcs can't protect you. They can't even protect themselves.
China doesn't need anything from Vietnam aside from just the basic guarantee of being a normal nation. Normal nations don't threaten to redraw borders, don't wage economic war, don't commit genocide, don't try to establish regressive Zionist global power. And normal countries also don't aid countries that do the above or threaten countries defending themselves from the above.
Vietnam is what China says it is.
If it sits in the corner and doesn't make too much noise, then it is independent
If it suddenly finds itself brave and courageous and tries to play any stupid games, it would be made a parking lot
That's all there is to say about Vietnam. Just sit down and play dumb, thats it
I agree I may have some misusage of word, and I'm totally aware of China's support to our war. It's huge and we gratitude it. But Vietnam is different from Korea, there is no direct intervention from China and therefore, China doesn't have any rights to talk about our matters
And that's actually what I think we're doing. We're not fooled like Pinoys who always talk about aggression and US. And I believe we won't crazy like Ukraines to ask for US or NATO
But this is wrong. I am agree that China has a lot of influences on Vietnam, and I can see that influences increase days bay days. Maybe China is the most influential countries on Vietnam. But we are not any form of slave
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As you keep ignoring things. There are big and there are small countries. That's a fact
China is a big country, Vietnam is a small country. That's another fact
China doesn't demand Vietnam to be made a slave, pawn, ally or whatever. China only demands one thing, when the moment comes, to not play any stupid games.
If you make a wrong decision when that time comes, don't come here crying about peace Elensky-style when consequences hit you.
Anyway, Vietnam isn't stupid and imo has learned it's lesson so I don't think it will mess around. Hopefully thats how it's going to be because I would like to have you here and witness what happens when someone makes a wrong choice.
Lets also hope Japan makes a choice. A wrong choice
Glad we are in agreement. China will have influence as a proper superpower but thats normal per history. It's up to Vietnam to study history and play its cards right
Only thing that matters is rivalry with US, just avoid this and you should be ok
I hope this is true. Then I can assure you that Vietnam will play its games right.
I think you and me have come to an mutual agreement. We understand the price of peace and value it. We won't be crazy or fooled to do anything like Taiwan, Phillipines or Ukraine. But we hope China also understand this and don't harass us or force us to become any slave, pawn, ally or whatever.
Personally, I would also want to just stand still and watch the show going. But due to our location, we need to have some preparations for any unforseen scenarios