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[FairAndUnbiased]

Indians want face. The reality is all you have to do is show that you can give them or deny them face. You don't have to actually give them anything so I'm baffled as to why real land was exchanged.

You need to first utterly humiliate them with ironclad proof, then offer to not publicize it. And if they refuse, publicize it.

 

[Skye_ZTZ_113]

I would sum up the current state of India-China relations (from the Chinese POV) as follows:

With enemies like these, who needs friends?

I mean it very specifically in this exact order of words, not the classic saying.

 

[Index]

India smelled the coffee that US won't allow a second China to happen.

Ultimately India fails precisely because they believe that.

US resisted China every step on the way, but they still couldn't stop China's inherent potential. In contrast, Indians sit around and wait for someone else to make them the next China. What kind of sick joke is this? Its like Australian aboriginals waiting around for someone to make them the next British empire.

Culture of action vs culture of waiting for handouts.

 

[taxiya]

If you were a semiconductor expert in Taiwan, why would you wait for the last minute to leave?

US seems intent on conducting economic warfare to capture TSMC anyway

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Whole thing sounds like nonsense. 5G is not an American technology.



Just factually wrong…

The article is total BS. To have such article published, the site becomes a US propaganda department. US does not own 5G, nobody owns it therefor 5G export control is BS, making such law makes US government BS.

This is typical how US propaganda works, having someone pretending to be professional to write something on a seemingly professional website randomly mixing loads of technical and legal jargons to fool the general public into believing them.

Another example is the US military front-end website calling Chinese rocket "explosion" or CZ-5 "hazards".

 

[pmc]

Think of it this way: India completely dependent on the US gives the West massive leverage, and in turn it limits India's strategic autonomy. Will Jai Hinds happily suffer under American hegemony? I don't think so. Because many Jai Hinds hate China so much, people forget that there is a deep anti-American sentiment among nationalist Hindus. It just got subsumed in recent years due to the border clashes.

If China can narrow India's strategic choices then it also clips the wings of India. Look at the current diplomatic spat with Canada/US. India suddenly found itself without allies. Or when the US ambassador to India recently told (lectured?) the Indians that they cannot have strategic autonomy. The Americans are talking down to the Indians with condescension because they know they can afford it.

For this reason, I suspect the Indians are more keen on normalisation than the Chinese are. They realised too late they made a mistake betting everything on the US. But what does China have to lose? People saying that China will now suddenly build up India are a bit deluded. The analogue with Western investment into China during the 1990s and early 2000s are completely off the mark. Even with a deal like this, there is deep distrust on both sides. This is just piecemeal de-escalation. I personally don't think relations will fully recover, but they can at least thaw a bit.

Its a other way around. Its US that is completely depended on India unless US can change its demographic trajectory. do you think French will stop selling arms to India ? I am sure French knows India position on Mideast/Ukraine. They do joint exercise with UAE and India. UAE the birth place of French industry from cosmetics to Aviation.
and the rest of consumer goods Koreans/Japanese due to weak demographics running to India. If you go real high tech than there is Russia/Israel for India. all those cyber tools and fundamental knowledge of building nuclear reactors, space, solar panels, EVs and semiconductor will come from there. its upto India to train its human resources.

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[taxiya]

I was referring to border agreements like the Sino-Soviet and Sino-Vietnam border agreements. Once that's there, it's the end of border problems for good.

It is actually totally different. In case of USSR and Vietnam it was a normalization (ceasing of hostility) that led to border settled. It is not border settled leading to better relationship. As a full packege, USSR pulled out of Afghanistan and Mongolia, Vietnam pulled out of Combodia. Border settlement is just a symbolic act strategic peace, it is a peanut.

In fact, the border problem will not be solved until strategic orientation of India is changed to at least not unti-China like USSR. That won't happen in 20 years IMO. Border issue is kept unsolved delibrately by both sides to keep each other an enemy in the public opinion so people will support the policy. Border issue can be as little as about some useless rocks, or as big as national strategic objective and orientations. For the first aspect it would have been solved decades ago like how China settled borders with former Soviet republics in a matter of years. It is the secondd aspect that kept Sino-Indian border unsolved and remain so for a long time. In a similar vein it is same as why US kept looking for enemy, just to give it a purpose to be involved everywhere.

 

[Minm]

Uh, FYI just Aksai Chin, a small portion of the China-India "border dispute" is already larger than Taiwan. Back in the Qing dynasty Taiwan was also China's borderlands, analogous to Aksai Chin today.


Giving up land so India will be "neutral" during WWIII? Lmao, do I even need to bring out more WWII analogies?

Nobody is talking about giving up aksai chin. My understanding is that some of the mountains China took over in the last couple of years can now be patrolled jointly. That's not a big loss, it's not even a return to the status quo before the clashes. And China has extracted some concessions in return

Just a compromise ceasefire will ensure that the hatred for China in India will not escalate. I wouldn't be in favour of giving up any core territory like South tibet. But if you draw the precise border a few kilometres further north or South doesn't really matter. But having India potentially more engaged in brics and sco makes them much more attractive than just an anti American alliance

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Indians want face. The reality is all you have to do is show that you can give them or deny them face. You don't have to actually give them anything so I'm baffled as to why real land was exchanged.

You need to first utterly humiliate them with ironclad proof, then offer to not publicize it. And if they refuse, publicize it.

I don't agree with this sophomoric views on Indias intellectual rigour even if I find their behaviour abhorrent and repellent. But they're still manage to grow their economy that African countries and Pakistan can envy. Not to mention that these folks did manage to penetrate western business, economic and politics which mean that they're not as stupid as most of us (myself included) like to believe.

What is the matter with changing useless lands for something in return? You guys sound like China has given up something so egregious and lopsided to the Indians when in reality that's not even the case.

 

[Leningradpro]

Guys let me put it out there that I am an Indian but I am a Marxist Leninist first and foremost and it is only the CPC that I abide by. I understand the frustration over the compromise as I am unhappy too. But I would like to draw some attention to Mao's "on contradictions". Even though i am a Dengist, the chairman did write some extremely good theory that is still relevant for today's China. This is a principled compromise which in my understanding will only help China in the long term. Yes, it is difficult to trust India, I understand that fully. But a completely hostile India is much more dangerous for China in the long run. No matter how far behind India is in terms of overall social development, it still is a huge market with a big population with sizable disposable income. The middle to upper middle class in India alone is larger than many major European countries combined. So building any trust process that helps to not completely cutoff that market is important for Chinese industry when it faces a shrinking market in the west.

Secondly, I am fully sympathetic to Pakistan, but let's face reality. Pakistan is not a counter to India by any means. Unless the Pakistani economy starts competing with India in any reasonable way (which I really don't see happening), all military comparisons are pointless. The way China thinks (or rather doesn't) about India, is exactly how India treats Pakistan these days. So it is better to let go of those illusions and deal with the India question directly, which I think the CPC is doing.

 

[coolgod]

Nobody is talking about giving up aksai chin. My understanding is that some of the mountains China took over in the last couple of years can now be patrolled jointly. That's not a big loss, it's not even a return to the status quo before the clashes. And China has extracted some concessions in return

Just a compromise ceasefire will ensure that the hatred for China in India will not escalate. I wouldn't be in favour of giving up any core territory like South tibet. But if you draw the precise border a few kilometres further north or South doesn't really matter. But having India potentially more engaged in brics and sco makes them much more attractive than just an anti American alliance

Lmao, you think giving away the territories marked 1 and 2 on the map I posted previously is ok but South Tibet is not? South Tibet is already lost, even though China and a lot of us don't want to admit it. The territories China gave back won't be jointly patrolled, it will only be patrolled by the Indians, i.e., they got that land from China. Indian FM already said the situation will return to pre-2020.

It's nice to comfort ourselves and believe that China won some sort of concessions, but is just keeping it secret and India's FM is just lying. In fact the deal is so good for China, we have to censor discussions on Chinese social media and news sites. If we follow this logic, how are we any different than the Jai Hinds and Pinoys we often see on the internet who boast about nonexistent victories?