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[kentchang]

Yes China has historical claims. Doesn’t Israel also have historical claim to all of Palestine? Does it have the right to take it by force.

Some of those islands are over 1000km away from Chinese mainland and less than 100km from Philippine coast.

It’s so close to the PH that it’s part of their EEZ for which they have sovereign rights as stated by the UN.

Laws have changed since the Song dynasty.

The question is whose 'laws'? Your assumptions lack depth, much more populist than legalistic.

Non-Western countries have always practiced 'Suzerainty'. 'Sovereignty' and 'Delineated Border' are relatively recent concept started in the 1400's thus these 'Historical' disputes. Distance is totally irrelevant.

I hope you know EEZ is NOT 'sovereign' rights as you claimed. A country's EEZ is only well-defined for 'Undisputed' areas.

If by UN you mean UNCLOS, I hope you know UNCLOS explicitly excludes all disputes and claims prior to 1983.

Bilateral negotiations is what UNCLOS recommends but Laws of the Jungle applies in practice. Most disputes happen because both sides have valid points but what weights to apply to each point is objectively undecidable so in the end, whoever willing and able to defend its claim gets to keep it. Should the US give back all the land illegally taken away from Native Americans?

 

[plawolf]

Yes China has historical claims. Doesn’t Israel also have historical claim to all of Palestine? Does it have the right to take it by force.

Who’s the one to try to use force first? It wasn’t China. What China is doing is using extremely restrained proportional force to stop the Philippines trying to make land grabs with military forces.

If China were to swap places with any western nation, copious amount of live ammo would have already been used to settle the matter. So if anything, the only reason this issue remains unresolved is because of excessive Chinese restraint. And it seems like the Philippines is desperate to rectify that situation.

Also, it’s beyond idiotic to compare claims made through peaceful discovery with claims based on religious texts. Discovery remains the only peaceful means for a nation to expand its territory unilaterally.

Some of those islands are over 1000km away from Chinese mainland and less than 100km from Philippine coast.

So if your neighbour had a bigger yard, you think you have the right to some of that land just because it’s closer to your house than theirs? What kind of nonsense is this?

It’s so close to the PH that it’s part of their EEZ for which they have sovereign rights as stated by the UN.

Laws have changed since the Song dynasty.

Laws you clearly have zero actual idea about. Because UNCLOS absolutely does not say anything of the sort. The Philippines does not enjoy an EEZ in the disputed territories per the UN itself.

Also, times might have moved on, but the Doctrine of Discovery is very much still a key cornerstone of international law.

 

[Chevalier]

"In times of war the laws fall silent"

"War is a continuation of politics by other means"

The only way US could ever get China to pay up 18 trillion is if it kinetically defeated China in war.....

Sounds like this could be prelude to declaration of war etc, if Chatgpt 5 comes out before the election, Xi needs to rug pull and go for AR

That’s basically what happened post opium wars and century of humiliation, The American industrialisation was basically underwritten by Chinese plunder from the opium wars and the forced opium trafficking that occurred afterwards. Now, the west needs another open door policy with China because their plunder vampiric economies are sorely in need of another large market and Indians are too poor and tightarse to be that market.

 

[Index]

Yes China has historical claims. Doesn’t Israel also have historical claim to all of Palestine? Does it have the right to take it by force.

Some of those islands are over 1000km away from Chinese mainland and less than 100km from Philippine coast.

It’s so close to the PH that it’s part of their EEZ for which they have sovereign rights as stated by the UN.

Laws have changed since the Song dynasty.

EEZ applies to territory not already owned by someone else.

UN consider status of Palestine and Israel as unsolved. Which effectively does allow both sides to fight over it.

Then you can speculate a lot into the fact that there's no real claims for a colonizing khazarian dominated state there, other than ones based on illegal British invasion. But as far as UN is concerned, both sides can fight over the area because it's in dispute, which is why many are pumping aid into Palestine and Lebanon to help resist Israel, while other countries are (keyword) trying to condemn Israeli brutality. If Israeli "claim" was recognized by UN, an attack on Palestine would be a genocide against its own people (as recognized by the UN), there would be trying for condemnation, they would simply be immediately condemned.

Meanwhile in SCS, Philippines is moving into territory that are internationally legally speaking, Chinese. But China recognises ambiguity in unpopulated territories, which is why instead of facing gunfire and crowd control weapons like Indians marching over the border, Philippines is only facing marine policing units, and China is maintaining a dialogue with Philippines to solve the issues through negotiation.

 

[Petrolicious88]

You can have effective jurisdiction at any distance. It's how US controls Hawaii and Guam, and at one point, entirety of Philippines, almost 11000km away.

Right. So claim it by force and annexation. Rule of the jungle.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Right. So claim it by force and annexation. Rule of the jungle.

Yes that is what the Phillipines is trying: using force to annex territory it has neither historical claim or population on with the proximity argument, much like Nazi Germany's lebensraum argument.

 

[kentchang]

Right. So claim it by force and annexation. Rule of the jungle.

Now you are slowly learning. Rules of the Jungle are Mother Nature's Laws. It works. Is it fair for smarter and more aggressive people to get ahead? We have rules so we can avoid the costs of settling disputes. Don't equate these rules as right or wrong and cling to them as Holy Bible. There are many practical benefits to Might makes Right. A lot of people see things in black'n'white and that is precisely why these 'judgmental' people make terrible judges.

 

[9dashline]

Why is the US going default even a topic? US prints its own money in the form of US dollars, then issues notes and bonds so people buy them with US dollars, in turn, they get paid back with more US dollars. So as long as the US keeps printing and people keep buying (all in US Dollars), why would there be a need for a default? And before anyone brings up Inflation, as long as the notes and bonds are denominated in US dollars, then the effect between inflation and government debt default is effectively severed, no?

Cici pizza went from $2.99 to $12.99
Monetization of the debt. Bottom 90 percent of Americans will be at poverty level soon...

That’s basically what happened post opium wars and century of humiliation, The American industrialisation was basically underwritten by Chinese plunder from the opium wars and the forced opium trafficking that occurred afterwards. Now, the west needs another open door policy with China because their plunder vampiric economies are sorely in need of another large market and Indians are too poor and tightarse to be that market.

Not gonna work a second time around lol, no more continential scale of plunder of China in the age of thermonuclear warheads

 

[CMP]

And before anyone brings up Inflation, as long as the notes and bonds are denominated in US dollars, then the effect between inflation and government debt default is effectively severed, no?

Even without the threat of federal government debt default, inflation can destroy the largest economy in the world. Hence why they're trapped between the rock of keeping interest rates higher for longer in the hopes of taming inflation and the hard place of insane quantities of existing US debt being rolled over at those higher interest rates starting from 2025 (a pivotal year for a shit ton of previous debts coming to term). This would fuel a feedback loop of both rapidly escalating debt growth across the board (government and non-government) and non-government debt defaults which will further decrease tax revenues. Even if they manage to avoid that, you can already see with recent data how insanely fast their debts are growing just purely from deficit spending. For the federal government, a trillion USD in newly-accrued debt every couple of months, if I recall correctly.

 

[Chevalier]

Cici pizza went from $2.99 to $12.99
Monetization of the debt. Bottom 90 percent of Americans will be at poverty level soon...


Not gonna work a second time around lol, no more continential scale of plunder of China in the age of thermonuclear warheads

I’ve always maintained that China must take the territories of the five eyes as the anglos are insisting on being this millenniums version of the xiongnu.

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In the event of war, it is not enough for US vassals like Japan and the Philippines to be destroyed, the Anglo states and the continental U.S. and their safe havens in Europe must also be similarly laid to waste. The Five Eyes cannot be allowed to function in anything resembling a civilisation let alone retaining the continents they currently reside.

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leave it to China to teach the Anglo led west what it means to be civilised.