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Bellum_Romanum

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You could have made an effort to ACTUALLY READ A BOOK OR TWO on this topic rather than simply regurgitating spurious and specious comments from YouTube, websites like Urz etc..that would obviously never give credit least of all context about the Sino-Vietnamese BORDER CONFLICT.

The PLA leadership was certainly underwhelmed and disappointed by the performance of its forces that attacked into Vietnam but it nevertheless successfully managed to enter Vietnam and achieved it's stated objective of entering deep into Vietnamese territory and then withdrew back into China once this was accomplished.

Put it simply, the Chinese achieved it's stated STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE which was to teach Vietnam a lesson NOT CONQUER OR OCCUPY (that's a western idiotic nonsense) and BLED VIETNAM'S ECONOMY DRY while also proving to the Vietnamese leadership that their patron saint at the time which was the U.S.S.R. was not in a position to help them fight China in any meaningful way short of nuclear war. Plus, the Chinese attack on Vietnam was also a showcase to the U.S. that China is a willing and capable strategic ally against what was then seen as SOVIET UNION EXPANSIONIST POLICY. China managed to convinced ASEAN member states including your country, the PH that China will help assist and defend against any Vietnamese expansionist ambitions in the region.

Do you even know why Vietnam and China fought? What was their relative weaknesses and strengths? The massive FINANCIAL, HUMAN, AND MILITARY assistance it gave and provided to the Vietnamese efforts, first against the French colonizer, and then eventually against the U.S.

What's the Philippines claim to fame in the realm of warfare, battles? Please don't event try to bring up the Moro, and other Islamic/Muslim groups in the Philippines since they don't consider themselves "Filipino" when the very name itself is taken literally from A KING OF SPAIN LOL...Sit down.

Lastly:

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95In Chinese Military Strategy in the Third Indochina War, Edward O’Dowd argues the Chinese conducted an ineffective military operation against Lang Son. His criticism covers the PLA’s artillery doctrine, personnel system, and logistics system. 96 The Chinese offered a different assessment. The 55th Army’s after-action report admitted that 1,271 Chinese troops had been killed and 3,779 wounded at Dong Dang and Lang Son. In addition, thirty tanks and thirty artillery pieces had been lost. However, the Chinese credited themselves with having inflicted 10,401 casualties on the Vietnamese defenders, most of them from the PAVN’s 3rd Division and the local units under its command along with a small force of the PAVN’s 327th Division. This number did not include those killed by gasoline, explosives, and flamethrowers in the tunnel complex of the French Fort and the caves at Lang Son. The 55th Army also recorded the destruction of forty-four PAVN tanks and six armored vehicles and the capture of a significant number of weapons, including 3 tanks, 3 armored vehicles, 29 trucks, 32 motorcycles, 99 artillery pieces, 2,200 small arms, 17,000 artillery rounds, and tons of other military supplies. Prior to withdrawing from Lang Son, the 55th destroyed 2,920 military and public facilities, literally turning the city into a ruin. 97 General Xu’s forces returned to China convinced that the combination of artillery fire and fierce ground combat at Lang Son had taught Vietnam a harsh and unforgettable “lesson.”

From the BOOK: DENG XIAOPING'S LONG WAR
 

zhangjim

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China already proved it the first time around no?

Vietnam was curbstomped with horrific casualties at minimal losses for China. The goal was never annexation of Vietnam, just the takeover of the disputed border and quite literally to demilitarize an oversized military Vietnam had radicalized after the US-Vietnam war.

The idea was that a military and material loss would undermine Viet confidence in the pro-USSR faction, and at the same time limit the influence of the pro-western southern Vietnamese remnant.

It did succeed in turning Vietnam back to a friendly or at least friendly neutral country, although the southern faction was purged much later and probably not directly due to the war but rather later political plots.
One view is that this serves two purposes:
1、Projecting a weak image of China as "big but not strong" can reduce public concern about the risk of future war: ”we just need to get serious and defeat them with good and advanced weapons“.
2、They always feel that they must seize some territory, or immediately force the opponent to sign a peace agreement, or immediately allow the opponent's regime to be replaced by a puppet regime, in order to call it a victory.
 

doggydogdo

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It did succeed in turning Vietnam back to a friendly or at least friendly neutral country, although the southern faction was purged much later and probably not directly due to the war but rather later political plots.
No, border clashed existed up until the collapse of the USSR where Vietnam realized its existence was in danger and needed a friendly China.
 

Chevalier

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White supremacy has a price, The Anglo board CEO was obviously not happy about a Chinese person offering to invest in his company so he went to australian intelligence services, in reality franchises of the CIA. Today, first day of trading after a public holiday and shares of the company are down almost 10%.

4 US college instructors stabbed in Jilin:

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Not many details yet but wingnuts on X already calling on State Department to elevate travel advisory for China.

i expect the USG and American people to understand, after all, Asian people are pogromed and murdered on a daily basis in the United States.
 

Index

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One view is that this serves two purposes:
1、Projecting a weak image of China as "big but not strong" can reduce public concern about the risk of future war: ”we just need to get serious and defeat them with good and advanced weapons“.
2、They always feel that they must seize some territory, or immediately force the opponent to sign a peace agreement, or immediately allow the opponent's regime to be replaced by a puppet regime, in order to call it a victory.
What exactly are you talking about and who is this "they" you're describing, none of your post makes any sense.
No, border clashed existed up until the collapse of the USSR where Vietnam realized its existence was in danger and needed a friendly China.
At a very low rate, because with a lot of the Vietnamese army straight up dead, it would never be a major player in SEA anymore, neither would the Vietnamese economy/civil society, with the illusion of Vietnamese overconfidence caused by the victory against USA crushed.
 

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Implications of this are huge, imho this is US plan to extent the dollar hegemony forever...

(Musk is CIA from the getgo he is just putting on a fake show, so read beyond the headlines)

Overnight half the world will be using US based openai AI.... every apple device and iphone will have the latest chatgpt (as API) baked into the iOS....

Each and every one of these devices will be spying for Uncle Sam, and worst yet, this one move will ensure as cloud intelligence gets baked into every layer of every product and every service, that the world will be beholden to US AI services and this AI ecosystem will be gate kept on condition of using US dollar....

First gold, then oil, now AI is the final frontier of USD extension.....

With Apple and Nvidia as hardware, Google Play and Andriod, and Azure and OpenAI as the cloud and intelligence layer, this is the US plan to turn the tide around and make good on its PNAC plan that it enacted at the turn the century circa 2001

The anti Huawei campaign, the TSMC thing and EUV ban, its all come down to this moment. I feel like US is going all in and even jumping the shark on AI because its America's last real hope and best objective bet at beating China in the great power competition

Just like with Nvidia GPU once gamers jumped to DLSS and game devs baked that into their games, there was no going back and AMD cards never held a chance, the DLSS API held everyone captive... likewise US is attempting in one fell swoop to do the same but with openai and azure as the AI and cloud layer, getting the rest of the world onto its platform so it can start collecting usury tax yet once again, all spearheaded by the move of Apple baking in openai to its iOS....

Perhaps China's best bet is to rug pull while it still can and do AR sooner rather than later, maybe before end of 2024
Openai is pretty much a scam. It operates off the principle of using the internet to select the next most likely word based on a prompt, making it basically a glorified search engine, hence why this "technology" is easily replicated anywhere, it is really old news with an user friendly facelift.

America already had Google to spy with, it didn't make them win the great power competition.

If China goes all in with highly aggressive tactics on curbing the US even today, there's not much US can do against having its industries cut off from components and necessary products alike. Sure US can say countries can't use Openai, forcing them to use chatbots that may be more optimal for Chinese language. This may be slightly annoying for some local netizens, but what really matters to governments and the majority population is: can we afford our overall livelihood? And if China stakes that ability on the implicit threat of dollar ban, there's nothing local governments can do but follow.

Hence even countries like Saudi that were in the past fully US reliant are forced to look into yuanization deals.
 
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