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supercat

Colonel
So many witnesses of the genocide!

Finally - so much for the SA-Israel rapprochement:

One of the main reasons why some rich people in China want to immigrate to the US:

If that wonderful place in China were in Japan instead...
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supersnoop

Colonel
Registered Member
It happened to Samsung before this, when it moved all of its smartphone production out of China in 2019, mainly to Vietnam and India. Samsung had its market share in China drop from 20% in 2013 to around 1% today. Apple is the next smartphone company who made the serious push to move its production and supply chains out from China. Namely to India, and Vietnam. Even more provocative was Apple's push to have India replace China as Apple's main manufacturing center. Because both the US and India are the most active nations in trying to sabotage China's economy.

So imagine one day where Apple makes its iPhones mainly in India, and then sells them in China. This, after unnecessarily dismantling its manufacturing center in China that was running so well. The made-in-India iPhones will be more expensive, lower quality, scarcer, and worse, it makes a mockery of China's relationship with Apple. So why should any Chinese put up with this nonsense? Giving business to people who are seeking to undermine China. Its Apple who unnecessarily provoked this, so they should feel the heat. Since India is more important to Apple than China, they should go and sell more iPhones there, and forget about Chinese business. The Chinese will have full justification to support their local smartphone brands over those untrustworthy and ungrateful foreign brands.

But China is moving on already. It is no longer just a cheap factory and big market for Apple and Samsung. It is becoming serious competition to them.

In addition to the other points brought up by @zbb, there are a few other things to note

1. Samsung's worldwide marketshare has actually been declining since that time. It's not really related to the production/patriotism, but rather much stronger competition arising from China from Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, Huawei, etc.

2. A lot of Chinese companies are relocating certain manufacturing to Vietnam, it is not necessarily related to Apple. It is becoming increasingly difficult to recruit workers in China. Plus they want to take advantage of the VN government incentives to set up shop. Luxshare (Chinese company) is a expanding big in Vietnam, but it is also expanding in China too. BYD also is growing in Vietnam.
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3. Brands really should not succeed or fail based on "gratefulness"/nationalism. IMO, this is why Chinese companies are seeing more worldwide success now. They were not treated with kid gloves even at home. For years Xiaomi was just seen as some Apple copycat, but once they grew confident to produce much more original ideas and designs, their business grew. You cannot just copy Apple, you must be better. Another example, Toyota, despite all the animosity towards Japan, was still a leader in China because their products were better. Things have changed now.

The smartphone business in China is quite saturated at this point. Even a Chinese company, Transsion, mainly does business outside China. They have a plant in Ethiopia. ZTE also opened a plant in Africa in Zambia. For Apple, they are looking at future growth in India and SEA. These are countries trying to grow their middle and upper classes. Apple is not "dismantling" anything, this is false, they are just expanding outside and going along with Chinese companies who are also expanding their business. The US media wants to make the US sound like the leaders, but really they are not. That's why most of their "friendshoring" efforts are either failures or actually just making use of Chinese plans (which is what is happening here).

I don't think Apple or any other successful company has any illusions about India. After all the corruption, foreign company failures, arrests, etc. that they think they will open a factory and replace Chinese production even within 10 years? I don't think Tim Cook or any other Apple executive would be so foolish. However, it's basically anteing up in poker, only way you get to play.
 

Sardaukar20

Major
Registered Member
Bro, how to detoxify these Apple lover? you need at two things to make it work, first by market forces, you need at least a comparable or better a more superior replacement available, second from policy action, here the Chinese had the political will and capability to implement an effective ban. Will it work?

My take after witnessing how Apple are able to hook all of mine family members (I Stand Alone with my Huawei P30 PRO) the magic ingredient is the OS, that's the secret sauce. If Huawei Harmony OS is able to perform better or at least comparable then let the market decide, I believed that competition is good for everybody and the Chinese will surely agree.
Apple today does not have the best smartphones or pads in the market. Many Chinese brands including Huawei can out-spec and outperform Apple iPhones and iPads in many areas. What Apple excels in better than all of its rivals is its marketing. Whenever the Chinese brands launch their new products, they present them like how an engineer presents. Technical, straightforward, but not as easy to relate for the average layman. But when Apple present their products, they talk about the user experience of using an Apple product. For example, when Huawei talks about its AI-enhanced camera on its smartphone, they talk about the AI and how it helps to enhance the camera for the user. Apple goes straight into a birthday party, and shows how the iPhone can take the perfect photos for the user using its own AI-enhanced camera. Same function, different presentation.

Apple is a league above the Chinese brands in terms of marketing and presentation. Every Apple product unveiling is a global event. People tune into these events live. Apple sells the user experience before selling the product. That is why Apple has been able to create a cult following, even though their product specs can be relatively average compared with to their contemporaries. Chinese brands tend to focus a little too much on selling the product. Perhaps its a Chinese culture thing. It works well with Chinese buyers, but it may not resonate so well with non-Chinese buyers. Chinese brands have improved their marketing over the years by leaps and bounds. Perhaps now is the time to step up their marketing and learn what Apple does so well. Sell the user experience first, then the product. Create a cult following. Then, Chinese companies can become an even bigger threat to Apple than they are now.
 

pmc

Colonel
Registered Member
The Arabs?
I am referring to earlier time before Boeing / Airbus or Boeing BDC Moscow.
All those wide body planes that you currently see has overinvestment from Arabs. just like Saudi drop $30b on F-15 project during Obama time and resurrect it in new form.
 

Taar

Junior Member
Registered Member
That's going back, lol.

I mean in our lives.

Once, I met a fellow student, his surname was Bai, or bak, as in white. And his parents named him ...

白 雲 開

I mean, what a name, eh. He was a PhD student too in literature, figures eh, man. LOL.

But, all these years later, I never met or came across someone else with that surname, that is 30 years or more and counting, haha.

:D
屈 #182 on current Chinese surnames, with a population of 763K, and 0.048% of population.
白 #76 on current Chinese surnames, with a population of 3600K, and 0.22% of population.
 
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