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It happened to Samsung before this, when it moved all of its smartphone production out of China in 2019, mainly to Vietnam and India. Samsung had its market share in China drop from 20% in 2013 to around 1% today. Apple is the next smartphone company who made the serious push to move its production and supply chains out from China. Namely to India, and Vietnam. Even more provocative was Apple's push to have India replace China as Apple's main manufacturing center. Because both the US and India are the most active nations in trying to sabotage China's economy.

So imagine one day where Apple makes its iPhones mainly in India, and then sells them in China. This, after unnecessarily dismantling its manufacturing center in China that was running so well. The made-in-India iPhones will be more expensive, lower quality, scarcer, and worse, it makes a mockery of China's relationship with Apple. So why should any Chinese put up with this nonsense? Giving business to people who are seeking to undermine China. Its Apple who unnecessarily provoked this, so they should feel the heat. Since India is more important to Apple than China, they should go and sell more iPhones there, and forget about Chinese business. The Chinese will have full justification to support their local smartphone brands over those untrustworthy and ungrateful foreign brands.

But China is moving on already. It is no longer just a cheap factory and big market for Apple and Samsung. It is becoming serious competition to them.
Samsung smartphones lost the China market after the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 battery fire issue in 2016. Samsung gave free battery and phone replacements for all customers outside of China, but refused to do so in China and in fact pursued legal action against Chinese customers whose phones had caught fire for defamation. The drastic differential treatment of Chinese customers for the Galaxy Note 7 battery fire issue destroyed all consumer goodwill that Samsung had in China, resulting in a complete collapse of Samsung sales in China. Samsung only moved smartphone production out of China several years later.
 

Sardaukar20

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Samsung smartphones lost the China market after the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 battery fire issue in 2016. Samsung gave free battery and phone replacements for all customers outside of China, but refused to do so in China and in fact pursued legal action against Chinese customers whose phones had caught fire for defamation. The drastic differential treatment of Chinese customers for the Galaxy Note 7 battery fire issue destroyed all consumer goodwill that Samsung had in China, resulting in a complete collapse of Samsung sales in China. Samsung only moved smartphone production out of China several years later.
Wow that's unforgivable by Samsung with their double standards against the Chinese. I would even argue that that that was racially motivated. I don't like Samsung, but this is just ugly. Well good riddance to Samsung in China. However, when taken into context, that Samsung incident happened before the current geopolitical climate of trade war and cold war.

Now is the post-Covid world with an ongoing trade war and cold war between China and the US. What Apple is doing today is piling even more pressure on China by carrying out the US's ultimate goal of shifting supply chains away from China. With the ultimate goal of deindustrializing and impoverishing China. Most Chinese people are not in the mood for anymore acts of undermining China. So Apple's demise in China could be comparable to Samsung. Maybe its decline in China might be slower than Samsung, but its on course to lose the Chinese market in time.
 

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Wow that's unforgivable by Samsung with their double standards against the Chinese. I would even argue that that that was racially motivated. I don't like Samsung, but this is just ugly. Well good riddance to Samsung in China. However, when taken into context, that Samsung incident happened before the current geopolitical climate of trade war and cold war.

Now is the post-Covid world with an ongoing trade war and cold war between China and the US. What Apple is doing today is piling even more pressure on China by carrying out the US's ultimate goal of shifting supply chains away from China. With the ultimate goal of deindustrializing and impoverishing China. Most Chinese people are not in the mood for anymore acts of undermining China. So Apple's demise in China could be comparable to Samsung. Maybe its decline in China might be slower than Samsung, but its on course to lose the Chinese market in time.
Sooner or later when the stars align, China needs to not only destroy the US economy but double, triple and quadruple tap that ship to make it an example to the rest of the known world that the USA is not the one that dictates teams but will also serve as a warning to the rest of the morons near China that just because China didn’t beat the hell out of them during WW2 doesn’t mean that China isn’t going to do it sooner or later when the US is out of the picture with the majority of the nation smoking Opioids and Traq, both of which they are still blaming China for crying out loud
 

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Now is the post-Covid world with an ongoing trade war and cold war between China and the US. What Apple is doing today is piling even more pressure on China by carrying out the US's ultimate goal of shifting supply chains away from China. With the ultimate goal of deindustrializing and impoverishing China. Most Chinese people are not in the mood for anymore acts of undermining China. So Apple's demise in China could be comparable to Samsung. Maybe its decline in China might be slower than Samsung, but its on course to lose the Chinese market in time.
Bro, how to detoxify these Apple lover? you need at two things to make it work, first by market forces, you need at least a comparable or better a more superior replacement available, second from policy action, here the Chinese had the political will and capability to implement an effective ban. Will it work?

My take after witnessing how Apple are able to hook all of mine family members (I Stand Alone with my Huawei P30 PRO) the magic ingredient is the OS, that's the secret sauce. If Huawei Harmony OS is able to perform better or at least comparable then let the market decide, I believed that competition is good for everybody and the Chinese will surely agree.
 

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Bro, how to detoxify these Apple lover? you need at two things to make it work, first by market forces, you need at least a comparable or better a more superior replacement available, second from policy action, here the Chinese had the political will and capability to implement an effective ban. Will it work?

My take after witnessing how Apple are able to hook all of mine family members (I Stand Alone with my Huawei P30 PRO) the magic ingredient is the OS, that's the secret sauce. If Huawei Harmony OS is able to perform better or at least comparable then let the market decide, I believed that competition is good for everybody and the Chinese will surely agree.
Apple was never the best performance wise. This is the case from iPhone 5 and onward. It is mostly about convenience of not learning new system, and brand prestige. Something must have happened that suddenly make people think otherwise.
 

ansy1968

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Apple was never the best performance wise. This is the case from iPhone 5 and onward. It is mostly about convenience of not learning new system, and brand prestige. Something must have happened that suddenly make people think otherwise.
And I think Harmony OS had best the chance if they can able to deliver as advertise, especially on their IOT. They had a visible presence in EV, while Apple are not? So they have the first mover advantage with their 5g technology, plus the CCP had set guidelines and national policy regarding IOT which is imbedded in their 14th 5 year plan.
 

TK3600

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And I think Harmony OS had best the chance if they can able to deliver as advertise, especially on their IOT. They had a visible presence in EV, while Apple are not? So they have the first mover advantage with their 5g technology, plus the CCP had set guidelines and national policy regarding IOT which is imbedded in their 14th 5 year plan.
IOS will always be biggest because other android systems have their own set ups. So there must be a single brand with more OS share than Apple. Until then IOS user entrenchment continues.

Alternatively there should be an Android system with UI closely resemble Apple so using it don't cause awkward issues. While also provides equivalent software service like icloud from stock.
 

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Nobody wants to work in Britain’s cold, crumbling parliament​

LONDON — It turns out working in a palace isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

As the U.K. parliament returns for a gloomy January sitting, political staffers are dreading the prospect of spending more time in the cold, crumbling Houses of Parliament. Instead, many are choosing hybrid working. Some come into the office as little as humanly possible.

Even the leader of the opposition, Keir Starmer, prefers to work out of Labour’s modern Southwark headquarters across the river at least two days a week, colleagues privately admit.

And while some staff still relish working in a historic building in the heart of London, plenty of others believe the simple lure of power — and the fierce competition for jobs — means politicos put up with conditions few employees elsewhere would countenance.

“There are numerous problems with the parliamentary estate. It’s creaking under the weight of several thousands of people working on it, which the older parts of the estate weren’t built for,” said Jenny Symmons, chair of the GMB trade union branch representing MPs’ staff in parliament.

Much of the Palace of Westminster dates back to the 19th century, and hasn’t been properly refurbished since before World War II. The risks posed by fire and falling masonry are growing, but a major restoration is unlikely to happen before the next U.K. general election.

That’s fueling more working from home, or from alternative offices away from the parliamentary estate. As an election looms, MPs in competitive seats also have good excuses to spend less time in Westminster, focusing instead on hitting local doorsteps.

“The coolness of working in the Palace has definitely worn off,” sighed a Conservative Party staffer, who like others quoted in this article was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record.

“If it wasn’t a protected heritage site, there would be absolutely no way — with the current health and safety regulations — that we would be allowed to even set foot in a building this broken and damaged.”

“If people work in the basement, they definitely are never inclined to work there on a Thursday and Friday [the U.K. parliament’s quietest days] because it’s soulless without windows,” they added, referencing offices in the oldest part of the Palace of Westminster.

A second Labour staffer was even more blunt. “I would never go in again [if I could],” they said. “I think there is a sense that parliament is a very important building, you’re very lucky to be here — but there are basic standards, actually.”

Parliamentary authorities insist they are taking action to keep the building up to scratch. “We work hard to keep parliament safe for both the members of the public that visit and for the staff and parliamentarians that work here — and where issues are identified, we act quickly to address them,” a House of Commons spokesperson said.

The U.K. parliament’s problems have been well documented over the years.

In 2022, the GMB branch for members’ staff submitted a litany of complaints to parliamentary authorities about issues from a lack of heating to frequent power cuts. They flagged mold in one of the bathrooms in One Parliament Street — the Victorian-era offices across the road from the Palace of Westminster used by scores of MPs and their staff.

Showers on the parliamentary estate were closed following the discovery of the legionella bacteria that same year.

Even in the more modern parts of the building, such as the 2000s-era Portcullis House, there are frequent heating and plumbing problems. Last July, shards of glass fell from the building’s high atrium ceiling, sending water gushing through the roof on to staff working below.

Rodents are often spotted on the estate, and the second Labour staffer quoted above doesn’t believe this problem is taken seriously enough.


“I was just told — ‘Why are you fussing? What’s the problem?’” she recalled. “It is a problem. I’m a grown woman. I don’t want mice where I work.”

It was reported last August that parliamentary authorities spent £126,000 trying to tackle the pest problem in 2022. There is even a full-time pest control expert working on site. But the issue is becoming increasingly difficult to manage, with hardy Westminster rodents now resisting various forms of rodenticide.

“We are committed to maintaining a humane and ethical pest control programme, focussed on preventative measures and, where necessary, the use of various control methods,” the House of Commons spokesperson quoted above said.
Certainly Keir Starmer’s affection for Labour’s trendy new HQ, a mile or so down the road in Southwark, rather than parliament, has not gone unnoticed among his staff. Multiple officials said Starmer now works from Southwark at least two, and sometimes three, days a week.

The offices of the leader of the opposition have traditionally been located in a suite in the Norman Shaw Buildings of parliament — another space designed during the Victorian era, and originally the location of the Metropolitan Police headquarters. They were absorbed by the sprawling parliamentary estate as demand for office space grew.

While Starmer still works in parliament often, including when there’s legislative business or ahead of his weekly prime minister’s question time appearance, colleagues say he has an obvious preference for Labour’s Rushworth Street HQ.

“[Starmer] really likes the [Southwark] office,” a third Labour staffer who works closely with Starmer said. “It doesn’t feel as imposing, it’s not freezing cold, and it’s much more modern.”


This also has the benefit of being “good for morale” and “making us feel like we are gearing up for an election,” the staffer added.

A fourth Labour staffer added: “Is it any wonder if a modern leader wants to work out of a modern office, rather than a building [Norman Shaw] designed in 1887?”

Some traditionalists are willing to defend the status quo, however.
Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative former leader of the House of Commons, acknowledged that “there are general maintenance problems” with the Palace of Westminster and that it needs constant upkeep. But he insisted most of its office space is still “functional.”

As leader of the Commons during the Covid pandemic, Rees-Mogg oversaw short-lived arrangements for remote working for MPs — but then pushed for their withdrawal as soon as was possible. He is among those who argue there is no substitute for being physically present.

And while many staffers believe the working conditions in parliament are barely acceptable, there remains some resistance to the idea of moving out of Westminster and finding modern offices. “I can sit here and moan for ages, but I don’t know what the answer is,” the Conservative staffer quoted above said, as they praised the “history and the weight that comes with working in such a historic place.”

Many MPs share that view, and a long-postponed restoration project remains on ice while parliamentarians fret about the potential public backlash if they sanction billions of pounds of spending on an overhaul of their workplace.

“There are people working in other old buildings like in schools and hospitals, where they have freezing temperatures and problems with the buildings,” said Symmons, the GMB rep. “I don’t think that the general public have a lot of sympathy for politicians and their staff complaining about being cold at work, or having faulty plumbing when there’s a lot worse things going on in other workplaces.”

But, she added: “That doesn’t mean that we have to keep putting up with it, and that the authorities shouldn’t take some action to solve the short-term problems while still having a focus on the long-term restoration and renewal.”

For those working in parliament this January, action can’t come soon enough.

Mold in the bathrooms, legionella bacteria in the showers, rodents running around, plumbing problems, frequent power cuts, lack of heating, freezing temperatures etc. Really shows the state of the UK itself.

Also politics in a nutshell.

“I was just told — ‘Why are you fussing? What’s the problem?’” she recalled. “It is a problem. I’m a grown woman. I don’t want mice where I work.”
Some traditionalists are willing to defend the status quo, however. Jacob Rees-Mogg acknowledged that “there are general maintenance problems” with the Palace of Westminster and that it needs constant upkeep.
 
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