Thunder Bay isn’t USA
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Thunder Bay isn’t USA
The US judiciary system have too many conflicting precedent resulting in very inconsistent and subjective judgement. It can go from one extreme to another depending on the court and jury.
Thunder Bay did a piss poor job at building TTC streetcars.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
American global management fell off a cliff after China's rise began to challenge it. The US was never a saint, but before China, American behavior was largely benevolent and it tolerated most competition. As my dad said in the 90's, "Americans do some shit things but they're a hell of a lot better than the Brits were." After Trump's term in office, he recanted that statement. Now, with China, America's mask has fallen off willing to do anything from threats to bribery, hindering all of human progress in hopes of styming China. That has made many people lose respect for the US, which once held a visage of supreme confidence and power.
These things do diminish America, a country that is reliant on foreign talent inflows and it does matter to China too, a country that is still only second to the US and the world's largest trading nation. China invest untold sums of wealth into cultivating its relationship with the global south; it's not because their support doesn't matter.
Yes, China would suffer moral injury from declaring a redline that is within other countries' sovereign rights. Would you accept a Soviet Union declaring that China must join it (basically the same at the East Asian Cooperation Sphere) or be attacked and beaten into submission? If you think this is unacceptable to Chinese people, why would it be acceptable to Japan or Korea? If you think that the rules that apply to you don't apply to others, that is the root of unfairness and that is what everyone hates the US for. No one has any reason to support China over the US if this is what Pax Sinica would look like.
Exactly what I said. They will turn a blind eye and accept your actions with gritted teeth but their true support or respect, you would not have by acting like a gangster telling others they didn't see nothin'.
If you attacked other peaceful countries simply for being American allies, how would the US be far worse??? It'd be the same. NATO is held together by their fear of China and Russia and the fact that they are all Caucasian. Do not expect the mixed and nuanced global south countries to form this bond with China when we are all different people and they are not threatened by Russia or a US that has been relegated by Chinese power. Truthfully, we are not even there yet, if we can ever get there with your attitude. The way you want things run, America, a country that still has greater comprehensive power than China, would only need a couple of sweet words and some dollar donations to take these countries away from China's ally list. They are there because China does things for them but also because they hate the bully that America is and was to them. They remember being colonized and they can see it if China does this to other countries. If China becomes the same bully, and America starts its printing press for them, their alliance with China would be very very shaky.
They'll condemn Chinese actions too for attacking peaceful countries that align with the US. An invasion of any country can produce images of the poor and the slaughtered like we see in Gaza.
No it's not. It's the same. You're violating others' rights for your own interests, the definition of gangster behavior.
Obviously you don't. You know acting with such evil now will get us all killed. You want to be evil when you have unchallenged power and that's why the whole world works to ensure that evil is caught early before it can become strong.
Yeah, keep being good. But in the long run, you want to turn China into a second America while I want China to use our unique innate power to show the world what a fair ruler looks like.
There is no such thing as "no matter what." All alliances are conditional. America can be a stronger and wealthier partner today and accepts anyone who bends the knee to American imperialism but they refuse because they hate imperialism. They hate American imperialism and they will hate Chinese imperialism just as much.
No, Ukraine did many things including ethnic cleansing of its Russian population and the very fact is that a large portion of Ukraine was pro-Russia at the beginning. From a CIA-funded operation, these people were driven out or killed. Ukraine was hijacked from a staunch Russian ally to becoming a NATO zombie and Russia is rescuing it. This is not Japan and not Korea.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
The problem is obvious and it's that you clearly don't know what a right is. They have every right to participate in any alliance and it is up to China to defeat these alliances, within legal realms if they remain legal, but through war if they head down that path.
Your writing is getting really ridiculous and it's shocking that you argue as if you had reason. Did you even bother to flip things and ask how you would feel if the sentence/situation were reversed? You wrote this:
"They have no right to threaten China's national security by participating in alliances aimed at containing and threatening China."
How about this?
"China has no right to threaten America's national security by participating in alliances aimed at containing and threatening the US."
If you think that the top sentence is ok but the bottom sentence is nonsense, then you are under the delusion that you have more rights than other countries. Which, once again, is the root of all unfairness.
Once again, sovereignty trumps all, including security. Flip your sentence again and check it:
"To be perfectly clear, if China still refuse to respect America's security, then they will get their fingers broken and houses set on fire. If you think it's gangster logic for America to defend this legitimate and critical interest even at the expense of others' sovereignty, so be it."
Sound good to you? Next time, flip check it before posting.
Yes, they can continue to change. But turning into the imperialist that China constantly preached hatred towards will not happen.
No. What is your case? I've never seen China try to run over other countries' sovereignty before unless of course it collides with China's sovereignty along the course of territorial dispute.
Then neither is China's and then according to your logic the US, with all its FONOPS and interference over Taiwan, has done nothing wrong as it was simply guarding its own national interest to suppress its rival. Neither has it done anything wrong by supporting Israel because it's in America's national interest to see Israel triumph in the middle east. There are no morals to abide by anymore in the world if you believe that sovereignty is not absolute but can be bent by interests.
Well then, if the dude tries to kill you, then kill him when he's trying. But that's not accurate. The US has NOT tried to kill China but has tried in every other way to weaken China. If he used that house as a weapon cache to attack you from, you have every right to blow it up in self defense. And I've said I support waging war over Japan or Korea if America conducts kinetic operations against China from those bases. But they didn't so we can't pretend they did.
If they attack you, which they have not. And once again, you can't just pretend they did.
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And Bombardier is Canadian, which should be rather obvious. Bombardier Transportation did have a manufacturing plant in the US (and still does as Bombardier's train business has since been bought out by Alstom who is the current owner), so guess who had to teach the workers there to make the trains? Not Canadians but actually Austrians because Bombardier was in the train business in the first place by buying a train maker based in Vienna.
The NYC Subway also has a number of suppliers for their rolling stock, Bombardier (now Alstrom which is French) is one of them, others are Kawasaki and Siemens, none of them American.
CRRC's American operations are chiefly based in Massachusetts i.e. 'CRRC MA' which has a manufacturing plant in Springfield supplying the rolling stock for Boston's subway system, Chicago's metro (out of CRRC's Chicago plant), and LA's metro.
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I am well aware of Bombardier's origins. The Thunder Bay plant was actually previously owned by Hawker Siddley (the British airplane maker) until the collapse of the company in the 80's. The plant was subsequently taken over by the Canadian Government and undertook the production of Street Cars and the boondoggle of the Scarborough RT.
The original RT layout was not designed for larger trains, so it could never be upgraded with newer trainsets which in the end led to poor reliability. However, the design was pressed into service to show that it was operationally viable. In the end though, they did manage to sell the design to Vancouver, and subsequently Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, so the goal was achieved.
I realized I slightly misread @Intention 's post and realize that indeed assembly of MTA cars are done in NY State. That being said, I no longer remember the exact article specifying the details of what is being done in CRRC MA that was hasn't been done in the US for a long time. It might be the passenger railcars (such as the ones for SEPTA-Philadelphia)
CRRC is having a lot of issues in the USA, and is not being helped by being a target of political tension including Trump raising tariffs on the sub assemblies imported into the US from China and politicians calling them "spy trains". They are also not helped with the inevitable culture clashes that come with a new foreign venture and workers still getting up to speed. They are being accused of poor quality (though the MBTA says the delivered trains are good), which inevitably means "bad Chinese quality" to the average American. Of course, how many billions of rides are taken by Chinese people on "Chinese quality" trains on a daily basis?
Hopefully they iron out these issues, it seems like Chicago is going much more smoothly.
I was addressing the comment you replied to regarding American-based train makers, or rather the lack thereof, and of course Bombardier being a Canadian firm despite operating in the US, just like CRRC.
On the subject of Philly's SEPTA, that deal AFAIK is still stuck in regulatory limbo because apparently some parts of that particular rolling stock couldn't be manufactured by the Springfield plant so they have to make them in China instead which goes against the requirement for the cars to be 'built in America'.
By contrast, in Massachusetts' case they actually want CRRC to hurry up with their deliveries, so much so that the Governor even accepts that some of the trains are being built in China to be shipped to the US because the Springfield plant simply doesn't have enough capacity to deliver the cars quickly enough -
The stigma towards a Chinese firm supplying railcars to the US (even when said cars are actually made in-country) due to political hysteria shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, that much is also obvious. Qualitatively speaking any maker would invariably run into issues, and CRRC isn't immune either, whether it be production delays or defects that can be remedied prior to delivery, but nothing so serious as to cause detriment to actual passenger safety, but of course such things would also invariably be magnified purely on the fact that it's "Chinese, but American-made, but CHINESE".
Then we have makers like Kawasaki whose new models are actually defective to the point of being safety hazards after they have been put into service, yet I don't see anyone clamouring for banning "Japanese trains", which are also American-made -