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OTCDebunker

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Another few things I posted elsewhere at some time that goes to illustrate your points.

1. Believe it or not, they were pulling grandpas out of retirement (70+) to try to restart FIM-92 Stinger production

2. CRRC (China railroad and railcar) sent American workers for training in China because there hasn’t been a subway car built in the USA for 50 years.
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LOL!

This ain't a joke.

Also, somehow a missile that was invented 40 years ago. Meaning that by the time they fight us this missile will be older than almost everyone in the military and by quite a large margin too is like 10x more expensive than when it first came out...despite having not produced any in 20 years. Meaning, that there's no upgrades or anything of that sort to justify why it should be more expensive.

Just another stunning example of Murican military paper tiger-ness and deafening volumes of how idiotic the entire American political and social leadership is. They have been crying and screaming about a future war with either us or Russia, and for Russia the Stinger was actually a genuine and real game-changer in the 80's in Afghanistan so thye know it works. A war with either Russia, China, or even North Korea and Iran would definitely require stingers since all of us would have some form of helicopters.

This paranoia-induced nightmare scenario that they've been so afraid of for decades somehow convinced them that they should do the exact opposite of doing the smart thing like having a stockpile or learning how to make it cheaper or how to improve upon its capabilities or at the very least make sure that if you need to make more that the production facilities are capable of doing so...including having the human element necessary to make these damn things.

Yet, somehow they do the opposite of what they should've done.

The more I think about it. The more I realize that China really has nothing to worry.

When you're fighting people this idiotic it's almost like guilt-inducing since you know y ou're up against an imbecile!
 

seanlcs

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Not surprising at all. A family member lost her court case as defendant for a Japanese furnace manufacturer. The case involved an accidental death related to a improper maintenance of the said 40-year old industrial furnace by the US client. The offending client is nearly backrupt and the manufacturer was targeted and held liable for the accident and was ordered to pay compensation.
The US government really cares the well-being of their people and compensates generously. Or, the value of USD977m is considered reasonable / norm for a wealthy country....... everyone's' disabilities or death in USA worth multiple millions. In other countries, i never heard of such high compensation before.
 

gelgoog

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Just another stunning example of Murican military paper tiger-ness and deafening volumes of how idiotic the entire American political and social leadership is. They have been crying and screaming about a future war with either us or Russia, and for Russia the Stinger was actually a genuine and real game-changer in the 80's in Afghanistan so thye know it works.
There were quite a few Soviet helicopter losses to Stinger in Afghanistan initially. But then the Soviets equipped their helicopters with flares and started resorting to high altitude bombing with the Tu-22M3. The helicopter engines were equipped with frontal covers to reduce frontal engine IR emissions.

Hind helicopter without the engine covers:

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With the engine covers:

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The truth is this initial advantage provided by the Stinger only lasted a couple of months. It was never the "game changer" it was claimed to be. Much of it is American propaganda.

In Ukraine there is a wide range of air defense systems on the Ukrainian side. If it was just Stingers then the Russians could just operate the Su-34 and Tu-22M3 at high altitude. The Stinger can hit targets up to 3,800 m altitude. The Tu-22M3 and Su-34 can operate at 13,300 m and 17,000 m altitude respectively.
 

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2. CRRC (China railroad and railcar) sent American workers for training in China because there hasn’t been a subway car built in the USA for 50 years.

I agree with the overall point about the blue collar shortage but I am pretty sure that what was formerly Bombardier Transportation built cars in the 90s and 2000s. For sure they did in Thunder Bay for Canadian orders. In fact I worked at a Bombardier supplier 10 years ago as a student intern but I think they also did in New York State for NYC orders.
 

Chevalier

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So we have the Israeli version of kristalnacht which is just straight up genocide of Palestinians and we now have scare campaigns as well as modern day digital book burning’s where e-books critical of Israel are now deleted

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Given this level of effort, I have now come to the conclusion that the United States is not a real country, but rather a shell company and the board of that shell company are Israeli Jewish zionists who want to create their own seperate homeland in Palestine

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Micron comes to China to do penance and beg forgiveness for sins and trespasses against Chinese tech.
 

Overbom

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They have the right to host whomever they want on their own land.
Winds of change

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Jointly Implementing the Global Security Initiative For Lasting Peace and Security of the World​

These "six commitments" and the 20 cooperation priorities also reveal three defining features of the GSI.
First, the GSI emphasizes common security. Based on the fact that countries have intertwined interests and a stake in each other's security, the GSI underscores the indivisible security of all countries, that is, the indivisibility between individual security and common security, between traditional and nontraditional security, between security rights and security obligations, and between security and development. By rejecting the outdated idea of exclusive security and absolute security, the GSI stresses that no country could have its own security ensured without the security of the wider world and that absolute security based on the insecurity of other countries does not exist. The GSI advocates that members of the international community view global security issues from a more comprehensive and holistic perspective, safeguard international common security with a stronger sense of responsibility and mission, and demonstrate their commitment to a just cause for the common good of the world.
 

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“As of now, Kuo believes that 12 to 14 percent of global ‌iPhone‌ shipments are made in India, with that proportion to increase to 20 to 25 percent by 2024. In addition to allowing Apple to move manufacturing away from China, increasing production in India provides Apple with an opportunity to strengthen its relationship with the Indian government.”
 

ZeEa5KPul

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One can argue that the UN is toothless against a superpower but this kind of wear against ones reputation is what we are happy to see happen to the US.
The US's moral reputation has been dragged through the mud throughout the entirety of its existence, but that didn't stop it from ascending to the power it became after WWII. Similarly, its decline today isn't the result of the constant train of crimes it's committed since its inception. It's declining because of changing economic and military trends; it's declining because China is rising.

Pointing fingers at the US, castigating it for its criminal actions, and "owning" it on social media is fun and makes us feel good, but it doesn't diminish the US in any meaningful way. China's rise does.

Having said that, China wouldn't suffer any moral injury as a result of declaring a clear policy about the acceptable strategic orientation of neighbouring countries (either aligning with China or remaining neutral, with no foreign alliances) and being willing to enforce that policy with force.
We should not pretend that it doesn't matter when it happens to China, a nation that is still in its infancy of superpower status.
Drawing a clear red line in a very reasonable place to defend its national security interests does China no moral injury and doesn't stain its reputation with the Global South, either with the elites or publics of those countries. The libs in those countries would cry, but they cry about everything China does anyway.
This is a very fancy way of saying that nobody in the global south knows or cares about right or wrong.
It's more nuanced than that. What I'm saying is that to people in the Global South - like people everywhere - "right or wrong" is subjective and secondary to national and personal interest. Even if China's actions went against their moral code, they would rationalize it and explain it away because maintaining a good relationship with China is in their interest. They would act like European countries do in their alliance with the US - the US does far worse than China would ever do even if it were more aggressive than I suggest, yet the NATO alliance remains ironclad and cooperation with the US continues.
When the world voted on America's oppression of Cuba, those countries that voted were not the ones bullied. Same with Gaza.
Cuba and Gaza are completely different cases. Cuba was punished during the Cold War because of the US's ideological anti-Communist fanaticism and it continues today because of inertia and spite. The only legitimate cause the US had to take hostile action against Cuba was when it hosted Soviet nuclear weapons. Gaza is a concentration camp for people Israel dispossessed of their land. The world condemns these actions and rightly so.

China insisting countries around it not host foreign military forces or enter into hostile military alliances designed to contain it is completely different.
Once again, China is only in its infancy of superpower status; if it acted at your directions, the whole world, not just the Western world, would fear the abomination of a tyrant it should become should it truly achieve unrivalled power.
I should clarify that I don't advocate that China adopt such a policy now as it's not strong enough to enforce it now. I suspect our view on what China should do in the short and medium term would be identical: keep building. As for the whole world, I see the Global South as being on China's side no matter what, since having a strong and wealthy partner that has no hostility toward them will always be in their interest.

You've stated your admiration for Russia on several occasions, and I recall you saying that President Putin was your favourite leader after President Xi. What do you make of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? This is a clear-cut act of aggression by your standards. Ukraine did nothing unacceptable by exercising its sovereignty in choosing to join NATO and host troops from countries hostile to Russia.

How did the Global South react? Aside from some customary condemnation at the UNGA, and a very eloquent speech by the Kenyan ambassador at the UNSC, the reaction has ranged from disinterest to outright support for Russia. If they're upset by anything, it's rising food prices as a result of the war. Outside the liberal bubbles, there's no condemnation for Russia's actions. If anything, they're happy the West took a hit.
It's not an excess of morality; it is common human decency in modern times.
It's never that simple and clear-cut. There are always caveats.
The just war would be on the opposing country's behalf. They have the right to host whomever they want on their own land. Your gangster logic is exactly what people hear when they're extorted by mobsters. "This is your fault. I don't want to break your fingers or set your home on fire or kill your family. You can stop it all just by signing 51% of your company over to me. If you don't, it's really like you breaking your own fingers and setting your own house on fire with your poor family in it. The responsibility would be on your hands, totally your choice. Why do you want to do that to your family?" Chinese people are not stupid; we don't see your gangster logic as any kind of justice.
They have no such right and stating this does not make it gangster logic. They have no right to threaten China's national security by participating in alliances aimed at containing and threatening China. Gangster logic would be if China threatened them with force if they didn't sign favourable trade agreements with it or privilege its commercial and economic interests, which I'm sure you're intelligent enough to see is not what I'm advocating. Gangster logic would be if China mandated that the Japanese Communist Party govern Japan. That isn't what I'm advocating either.

To be perfectly clear, if they still refuse to respect China's security, then they will get their fingers broken and houses set on fire. If you think it's gangster logic for China to defend this legitimate and critical interest even at the expense of others' sovereignty, so be it.
The CCP never talks like you. The Chinese people are always taught to hate imperialism. Chinese culture has an exuberance of sympathy for the weak, poor and oppressed. We despise bullies and when we see them, we hunt them on the internet until they have no place to hide. This new gangster persona you cast on China is in your own mind. We're not that kind of people.
What the CPC says and thinks has changed drastically over the years and I don't see why that would stop. It's true that the Chinese public's current view is broadly "go along to get along", but that's also changed drastically over the years. There's been a notable rise in what the US calls "nationalism" - which is really just self-respect and national pride - in recent years and I expect that to continue.

Even today, there's no outright rejection of the use of force to defend China's national interest, even if it impinges on the sovereignty of others.
Sovereignty always trumps interests. No matter what, you cannot violate your neigbors' rights for your own interests. That should be common basic knowledge.
I cannot overstate how profoundly I disagree with this. There is no absolute principle in international relations, not even sovereignty which is the closest thing there is to it. Sovereignty is not absolute.
Your neighbor has the right to invite his friend to his house even if you hate the dude.
The problem isn't that I hate the dude, the problem is the dude wants to kill me. If my neighbour has the right to invite whomever he pleases into his home, my right to self-defence trumps his right and I will enforce that right with violence if need be. Yes, I agree that I should try everything else first, I should try to be nicer to him, invest in his company, cajole him, threaten him, whatever.

But if all else fails, I have a higher right than his right to free association to grab my rifle and open fire on him and his friend. If the rest of the neighbourhood has a problem with it, I can tell them with a clear conscience that I tried everything with him, that it had to be done, and that there are no problems between me and them.
 
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