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FriedButter

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It seems MBS is still too naïve after all. He probably thinks he can get the israelis to stop colonizing palestine's land and guarantee access to AL AQSA mosque (similar to the deal between Richard the lionheart and Saleheddin) and the US to agree to a military alliance, in exchange for simply normalizing relations with Israel x), and expects them to keep their word when the going get rough, even though the zionists have been historically well known for not keeping theirs.
Does he really expect the rest of the muslim world (outside of gulf) to simply follow his lead? He could've done so much more for Palestine by removing that alliance condition from the agreement, after all, this entire conflict is centered around the fact that zionist illegally occupied Palestine and especially Jerusalem (or at least it's perceived that way in the muslim world), not the security of the Saud clan. From what I've seen, the vast majority of muslims have accepted that a peaceful settlement, where both states of Palestine and Israel coexist, and with palestine keeping AL AQSA mosque (the rest of Jerusalem doesn't really matter for them), is the best option they have left. This is such a good opportiunity for the Saudis to leave a massive mark on history, and they're throwing it. Sigh...

What makes you think that Palestine is a priority for the Saudis? It’s merely a secondary goal assuming they actually care about it outside of public relations in the first place.
 

AssassinsMace

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It never fails. Anyone who shows a so-called moral hatred towards China are just hiding their own seamy character. There was a radio talk show host in the San Francisco Bay Area who was a Democrat and had a veiled hatred towards Chinese. The guy never had politicians on his show except if they were running against a Chinese-American candidate. He always brought up human rights when it came to China. He was later arrested and convicted of child molestation when it came out that when he was a priest earlier in life, he apparently took advantage of little girls. Look at all the Republicans hand-wringing over China when they were making money off of China.

The reason why this happens is because Chinese are easy targets because Chinese tend to do nothing again where both Republicans and Democrats can use it to cover-up their own unethical immoral behavior.
 

ironborn

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It never fails. Anyone who shows a so-called moral hatred towards China are just hiding their own seamy character. There was a radio talk show host in the San Francisco Bay Area who was a Democrat and had a veiled hatred towards Chinese. The guy never had politicians on his show except if they were running against a Chinese-American candidate. He always brought up human rights when it came to China. He was later arrested and convicted of child molestation when it came out that when he was a priest earlier in life, he apparently took advantage of little girls. Look at all the Republicans hand-wringing over China when they were making money off of China.

The reason why this happens is because Chinese are easy targets because Chinese tend to do nothing again where both Republicans and Democrats can use it to cover-up their own unethical immoral behavior.
Why would any US politicians take bribes from anyone, since bribery is already legalized in the US through lobbying industry. Too cheap to pay a lobbyist ? Don't want let a DC lobbyist take a cut ?
 

KYli

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"These Indian athletes already got a visa to enter China. China didn't refuse any visa," OCA honorary life vice-president Wei Jizhong, who is from China, told reporters in Hangzhou. "But unfortunately these athletes didn't accept the visa."

In previous cases involving Indian athletes travelling to sports events in China, a "stapled visa" on a separate piece of paper has been issued to those originating from Arunachal Pradesh to avoid stamping their passports issued by the Indian government.
 

Virtup

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What makes you think that Palestine is a priority for the Saudis? It’s merely a secondary goal assuming they actually care about it outside of public relations in the first place.
What I mean is that Saudi Arabia threw a precious opportunity to permanently get the rest of the muslim world (again, outside of gulf) on it's side in the constant power play between it and Iran, because breaking news: they don't really care about Shia and Wahabi flavors of Islam, the core tenets are still the same for every sect. In fact, they're far more weary of wahabism because it leans alot more towards extremism (and in case you didn't already know, muslim countries are the first and biggest victim of terrorism).
Besides, due to their history of dealing with the US, and their lavish lifestyle that runs contrary to the Islam's core tenet of avoiding useless luxuries and living a simple life, gulf arabs are deeply mistrusted in the rest of the arab world. This usually manifest in the failure of most projects they try to invest in (the first reaction is usually: what are they up to? do they seek to buy out our lands and throw us out? are they trying to enslave us?)
MBS and the rest of his clan could've eliminated many of these doubts had they sought to look out more for Palestine than themselves in this deal. Always remember, the Palestine question concerns the ENTIRE muslim world. It was a big opportunity for them and yet they threw it away and instead, made decisions that reinforced the stereotypes.
But for me, personally, that's not even their biggest blunder. It is the fact that they're choosing to believe in what the US and Israel are saying. The zionists have been non-stop lying since before 1948, while the US just recently threw their supposed "allies" under the bus and cannibalized them. How could they miss that?
 

Stierlitz

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Even if the deal happens (which I doubt), it's a win for Israel, not America.

Israel isn't America, their foreign policy is completely unaligned with America's. Israel aren't even sanctioning Russia, let alone providing aid or selling weapons to the Ukraine. Even India and Turkey who get called Putin puppets are doing more for the Ukraine than Israel.

I don't see a single benefit for America from this "trade route".
Besides diplomatic prestige, it's about restricting China's influence in the region and alienating Iran for the U.S.

The deal Biden is looking to score would effectively cancel the effects of China brokered deal from last March because there is no chance that Iran is maintaining ties with SA if SA decides to normalise ties with Israel. The deal would also completely bring back SA to US sphere of influence through a proposed Japan/SK styled security pact which means they would have their own Trojan horse inside BRICS. Seems to me like SA never actually made a strategic shift. Reapproachment with Iran and reintegration of Syria was all a show for them intended to scare U.S. into thinking that China was replacing them and make them crawl back.

I do agree that the deal is unlikely, at least for now. Satanyahu's radical allies are against concessions of any kind towards Palestinians and he depends on them to stay in power considering his slim majority in Knesset. Second factor is King Salman. While he's still alive, I think SA will normalize ties with zionist regime only in the case of Palestinian statehood (which zionist regime will never agree to). I doubt he would settle for vague unenforceable promises like UAE did. Things are different with MBS. He is a snake who will betray Palestinians the moment the King is dead and normalize ties with zionist regime whether or not Palestinian interests are taken into account.
 
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China, US set up working groups for economic issues

Move marks major step in putting brakes on downward spiral in bilateral ties: experts


Please don't bail the US out.

Also anyone else got annoyed that Hangzhou residents are learning English to help with Hangzhou Asian Games? I think the time is come for China to deemphasize English, especially within use in Asia.
 

Abominable

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Besides diplomatic prestige, it's about restricting China's influence in the region and alienating Iran for the U.S.But
But the agreement says nothing about China. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia will be free to continue trading with China as much as they want to. It will be isolating Iran, but how is that a win for the US? It's another win for Israel.

A win for America would be turning Iran, Saudi Arabia or Israel against China, this agreement doesn't do that.

Compare it to the Cold War era where America had real diplomatic wins in the Middle East, e.g. turning Egypt against the USSR.

You can argue it's a propaganda win, or a moral victory, like a certain soon to be extinct country likes to claim right now. But calling it that is an admission it's not a real victory.
The deal Biden is looking to score would effectively cancel the effects of China brokered deal from last March because there is no chance that Iran is maintaining ties with SA if SA decides to normalise ties with Israel. The deal would also completely bring back SA to US sphere of influence through a proposed Japan/SK styled security pact which means they would have their own Trojan horse inside BRICS. Seems to me like SA never actually made a strategic shift. Reapproachment with Iran and reintegration of Syria was all a show for them intended to scare U.S. into thinking that China was replacing them and make them crawl back.

I do agree that the deal is unlikely, at least for now. Satanyahu's radical allies are against concessions of any kind towards Palestinians and he depends on them to stay in power considering his slim majority in Knesset. Second factor is King Salman. While he's still alive, I think SA will normalize ties with zionist regime only in the case of Palestinian statehood (which zionist regime will never agree to). I doubt he would settle for vague unenforceable promises like UAE did. Things are different with MBS. He is a snake who will betray Palestinians the moment the King is dead and normalize ties with zionist regime whether or not Palestinian interests are taken into account.
Agreed, if this is real then the Saudi-Iran deal is dead. But then the Yemen war starts again, and so does the sectarian conflict that's been occurring over the past decade.

Even with MBS, I don't see how this deal happens. You look at reality and Saudi Arabia are expanding on their ties with Iran. A few days ago they sent Ronaldo to Iran, would that be happening if there was a new anti-Iran deal about to be signed? Unlikely.
 
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