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ansy1968

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This is God's punishment for Ph due to their recent foreign policy and military basing decisions.
The ironic thing is God get rid of the US bases by unleashing MT Pinatubo and now a wanna be god want them back....lol

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May 31, 2016 — The U.S. Air Force evacuated and closed down Clark Air Base. Naval Base Subic Bay was also evacuated but less badly damaged and operations ...

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Dec 28, 1991 — The Philippines told the United States today that it must withdraw from the Subic Bay naval base by the end of 1992, ending a vast American ...
 
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The United States is making progress toward a landmark agreement that would see Saudi Arabia normalize relations with Israel in exchange for a U.S. defense pact and help developing its own civilian nuclear program, two diplomatic sources told NBC News.

The complex talks are picking up steam and officials on all sides have voiced growing optimism in recent days that they could soon come together in a deal that would transform the political landscape of the Middle East and deliver a major foreign policy victory to President Joe Biden.

Formal recognition of the Jewish state by the Arab world’s most influential power would represent a tectonic shift in the region after more than half a century of conflict and animosity. It could also represent a diplomatic coup for the Biden administration, which has reversed its hardline stance on Saudi Arabia in a bid to bring together two close U.S. allies as it seeks to ward off China’s growing ambitions.

But significant hurdles remain, including Israel's ongoing conflict with the Palestinians. The deal would see the Palestinians granted as-yet undefined land in the West Bank, the two sources said, but huge questions persist over what it would mean for their future.

Offering Riyadh a formal pact of mutual defense, an arrangement on par with U.S. guarantees to key allies such as Japan and South Korea, could also complicate the domestic politics of any deal.

If the deal were to come together, U.S. officials believe it would be early next year, before the presidential election campaign makes it difficult to get 67 votes in the Senate, which has to ratify the defense treaty and would need to approve helping the Gulf kingdom’s de facto ruler, the powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, in his civilian nuclear ambitions.

Discussions about the Saudi defense pact were first reported by The New York Times.
'Still a challenge'

According to a senior U.S. official, Israel also wants a defense treaty with the U.S. to match any new Saudi treaty but the U.S. has not agreed to that. Israel already gets almost $4 billion a year in U.S. military assistance and administration officials believe that may make it harder to get an already complicated agreement through the Senate.

A recent poll from the Quincy Institute showed that just more than half of Americans would oppose an agreement between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia that would see Washington committing U.S. soldiers to defend the Saudis in the event of a war. The exact terms of any defense pact are unclear.

But a deal of this scale would be “transformative,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken told MSNBC on Thursday. He cautioned that there were still “a lot of moving pieces,” and that landing all of them would take “a tremendous amount of work.”

“We’re in the middle of it; it’s still a challenge,” he added.

National security adviser Jake Sullivan has made two trips to Saudi Arabia in recent weeks and sources familiar with his travel said he was actively engaged in the talks.

For Biden, the deal could offer a boost ahead of the 2024 presidential election, rivaling then-President Donald Trump's Abraham Accords — a series of historic agreements signed in 2020 normalizing ties between Israel and Gulf states the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.

Relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia have warmed up in recent years but this has remained informal.

Recognizing Israel would likely be seen as a betrayal by the Palestinians and those who support Palestinian statehood, and who have relied on Riyadh as a bedrock of the Arab world’s support. An agreement that doesn’t include real concessions to the Palestinians could feed anger in the region.

The growing Israel-Saudi ties have been driven in large part by mutual acrimony toward Iran.

Even though Riyadh agreed to a Beijing-brokered deal to restore diplomatic relations with Tehran earlier this year, Washington may see forging formal Saudi ties with Israel as a way to both combat Iranian aggression and counter China's efforts to expand its influence in the region.

Meeting with Biden in New York on Wednesday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said a deal to “achieve reconciliation between the Islamic world and the Jewish state” was within reach.

Officials in both countries said they discussed the deal during their meeting, among other issues. Netanyahu addressed the United Nations General Assembly on Friday morning and touted the potential deal as a historic breakthrough that would help bring "peace and prosperity" to the region.

But a sticking point could be the Israeli leader’s own government, the most religious and right-wing in his country’s history. His coalition partners may put up strong resistance to any significant concessions for the Palestinians, which could in turn be a deal breaker for Saudi Arabia.

Opposition leader Yair Lapid has also raised concerns about the Saudis "becoming a nuclear threshold state" in the event of a deal.

Speaking with Fox News on Wednesday, bin Salman vowed to work with “whoever is there” in the Israeli government as long as the deal ensures the “needs” of the Palestinians. He sounded optimistic about the potential agreement, saying it would be the biggest diplomatic deal since the end of the Cold War. “Every day, we get closer,” he told Fox.

Israel's foreign minister also said Thursday that a framework deal could be in place by early next year.

Even if he can get Saudi Arabia and Israel to agree, Biden may still find domestic opponents.

Some senators have already voiced concerns about a deal with Saudi Arabia considering ongoing anger about the kingdom’s alleged role in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. 2001, and its perceived human rights record, which has come under further scrutiny since the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

Biden vowed to make Saudi Arabia a “pariah” during his 2020 presidential campaign but has since eased that stance after a clash over oil production. He visited the country last year, sharing a controversial fist bump with the crown prince.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee member Chris Coons, D-Del., told NBC News on Thursday that a number of committee members have been discussing the possible agreement, which he said is in its early stages of negotiation.

“There has to be active engagement by Israel in terms of ensuring that whatever nuclear technology is shared with the Saudis, and whatever the arrangements are for security with the Saudis, are also agreeable to the Israelis," Coons said.

There also has to be a significant provision for the Palestinians, and “the security of their position” in the West Bank, Coons said.

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FairAndUnbiased

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Just like they thought threatening sanctions would be enough to get China to capitulate unconditionally. This is what 30 years of unchecked dominance does to a mfer.

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Most people recognize that time is not on America's side regarding its strategy against China, and the same is true with respect to its use of India against China; the stronger India gets, the more brazenly it will pursue its own interests, which will eventually cause QUAD and the "Indo-Pacific" strategy to implode.
I'm calling it now: if Westbloc decides that they can't do much about China, the only thing worse would be 2 Chinas. They don't want to share their resources. So India would get 10x more special treatment.
 

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Biden tells Zelenskyy that U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles​

President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday.

The officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly, did not say when the missiles would be delivered or when a public announcement would be made.

For months, Ukraine has asked for the Army Tactical Missile System, known as ATACMS, which would give Kyiv the ability to strike targets from as far away as about 180 miles, hitting supply lines, railways, and command and control locations behind the Russian front lines.
 

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The United States is making progress toward a landmark agreement that would see Saudi Arabia normalize relations with Israel in exchange for a U.S. defense pact and help developing its own civilian nuclear program, two diplomatic sources told NBC News.

The complex talks are picking up steam and officials on all sides have voiced growing optimism in recent days that they could soon come together in a deal that would transform the political landscape of the Middle East and deliver a major foreign policy victory to President Joe Biden.

Formal recognition of the Jewish state by the Arab world’s most influential power would represent a tectonic shift in the region after more than half a century of conflict and animosity. It could also represent a diplomatic coup for the Biden administration, which has reversed its hardline stance on Saudi Arabia in a bid to bring together two close U.S. allies as it seeks to ward off China’s growing ambitions.

But significant hurdles remain, including Israel's ongoing conflict with the Palestinians. The deal would see the Palestinians granted as-yet undefined land in the West Bank, the two sources said, but huge questions persist over what it would mean for their future.

Offering Riyadh a formal pact of mutual defense, an arrangement on par with U.S. guarantees to key allies such as Japan and South Korea, could also complicate the domestic politics of any deal.

If the deal were to come together, U.S. officials believe it would be early next year, before the presidential election campaign makes it difficult to get 67 votes in the Senate, which has to ratify the defense treaty and would need to approve helping the Gulf kingdom’s de facto ruler, the powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, in his civilian nuclear ambitions.

Discussions about the Saudi defense pact were first reported by The New York Times.
'Still a challenge'

According to a senior U.S. official, Israel also wants a defense treaty with the U.S. to match any new Saudi treaty but the U.S. has not agreed to that. Israel already gets almost $4 billion a year in U.S. military assistance and administration officials believe that may make it harder to get an already complicated agreement through the Senate.

A recent poll from the Quincy Institute showed that just more than half of Americans would oppose an agreement between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia that would see Washington committing U.S. soldiers to defend the Saudis in the event of a war. The exact terms of any defense pact are unclear.

But a deal of this scale would be “transformative,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken told MSNBC on Thursday. He cautioned that there were still “a lot of moving pieces,” and that landing all of them would take “a tremendous amount of work.”

“We’re in the middle of it; it’s still a challenge,” he added.

National security adviser Jake Sullivan has made two trips to Saudi Arabia in recent weeks and sources familiar with his travel said he was actively engaged in the talks.

For Biden, the deal could offer a boost ahead of the 2024 presidential election, rivaling then-President Donald Trump's Abraham Accords — a series of historic agreements signed in 2020 normalizing ties between Israel and Gulf states the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.

Relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia have warmed up in recent years but this has remained informal.

Recognizing Israel would likely be seen as a betrayal by the Palestinians and those who support Palestinian statehood, and who have relied on Riyadh as a bedrock of the Arab world’s support. An agreement that doesn’t include real concessions to the Palestinians could feed anger in the region.

The growing Israel-Saudi ties have been driven in large part by mutual acrimony toward Iran.

Even though Riyadh agreed to a Beijing-brokered deal to restore diplomatic relations with Tehran earlier this year, Washington may see forging formal Saudi ties with Israel as a way to both combat Iranian aggression and counter China's efforts to expand its influence in the region.

Meeting with Biden in New York on Wednesday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said a deal to “achieve reconciliation between the Islamic world and the Jewish state” was within reach.

Officials in both countries said they discussed the deal during their meeting, among other issues. Netanyahu addressed the United Nations General Assembly on Friday morning and touted the potential deal as a historic breakthrough that would help bring "peace and prosperity" to the region.

But a sticking point could be the Israeli leader’s own government, the most religious and right-wing in his country’s history. His coalition partners may put up strong resistance to any significant concessions for the Palestinians, which could in turn be a deal breaker for Saudi Arabia.

Opposition leader Yair Lapid has also raised concerns about the Saudis "becoming a nuclear threshold state" in the event of a deal.

Speaking with Fox News on Wednesday, bin Salman vowed to work with “whoever is there” in the Israeli government as long as the deal ensures the “needs” of the Palestinians. He sounded optimistic about the potential agreement, saying it would be the biggest diplomatic deal since the end of the Cold War. “Every day, we get closer,” he told Fox.

Israel's foreign minister also said Thursday that a framework deal could be in place by early next year.

Even if he can get Saudi Arabia and Israel to agree, Biden may still find domestic opponents.

Some senators have already voiced concerns about a deal with Saudi Arabia considering ongoing anger about the kingdom’s alleged role in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. 2001, and its perceived human rights record, which has come under further scrutiny since the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

Biden vowed to make Saudi Arabia a “pariah” during his 2020 presidential campaign but has since eased that stance after a clash over oil production. He visited the country last year, sharing a controversial fist bump with the crown prince.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee member Chris Coons, D-Del., told NBC News on Thursday that a number of committee members have been discussing the possible agreement, which he said is in its early stages of negotiation.

“There has to be active engagement by Israel in terms of ensuring that whatever nuclear technology is shared with the Saudis, and whatever the arrangements are for security with the Saudis, are also agreeable to the Israelis," Coons said.

There also has to be a significant provision for the Palestinians, and “the security of their position” in the West Bank, Coons said.

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I actually want it to happen just so that Blinken/Sullivan, or BS for sure, finally succeeds at something. It is like rooting for the underdog team.
 

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I actually want it to happen just so that Blinken/Sullivan, or BS for sure, finally succeeds at something. It is like rooting for the underdog team.
Even if the deal happens (which I doubt), it's a win for Israel, not America.

Israel isn't America, their foreign policy is completely unaligned with America's. Israel aren't even sanctioning Russia, let alone providing aid or selling weapons to the Ukraine. Even India and Turkey who get called Putin puppets are doing more for the Ukraine than Israel.

I don't see a single benefit for America from this "trade route".
 

james smith esq

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Even if the deal happens (which I doubt), it's a win for Israel, not America.

Israel isn't America, their foreign policy is completely unaligned with America's. Israel aren't even sanctioning Russia, let alone providing aid or selling weapons to the Ukraine. Even India and Turkey who get called Putin puppets are doing more for the Ukraine than Israel.

I don't see a single benefit for America from this "trade route".
‘Muhruhcuhns will receive the blessings from the Holy Land and their Lord YHWH in heaven!
 
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