F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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Vladimir Putin----LockMarts new "Salesman of the Year" bwahhhh, hhhhaaaaaah, hhhhhaaaaaaahhhh, hhhhaaaaaaaaaa, now he wants a "commission"??? He and Obama do have something in common????"
Comrade, yes Comrade?, my radar screen is "flickering", really? mine too??? what is causing that, ooohhh, just cheap Ukrainian electronics????? hah, hah, hah,,,,,,, Comrade??? Yes Comrade?, what is it now???? whats that red light flashing in the corner of my eye???????? oh krap, that's my career dissipation light going into Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhh,,,boooooooooooooom!
aaaahhhhhhhh! ThunderHogge II lead, to ThunderHogge II wing,,,,,,,, aaaaahhhhhhh,,,,,,,, scratch two bogeys!!!! yeah, they knew they were coming a "barbeque", they just didn't know they were on the menue????
Vladimir Putin----LockMarts new "Salesman of the Year" bwahhhh, hhhhaaaaaah, hhhhhaaaaaaahhhh, hhhhaaaaaaaaaa, now he wants a "commission"??? He and Obama do have something in common????"
Comrade, yes Comrade?, my radar screen is "flickering", really? mine too??? what is causing that, ooohhh, just cheap Ukrainian electronics????? hah, hah, hah,,,,,,, Comrade??? Yes Comrade?, what is it now???? whats that red light flashing in the corner of my eye???????? oh krap, that's my career dissipation light going into Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhh,,,boooooooooooooom!
aaaahhhhhhhh! ThunderHogge II lead, to ThunderHogge II wing,,,,,,,, aaaaahhhhhhh,,,,,,,, scratch two bogeys!!!! yeah, they knew they were coming a "barbeque", they just didn't know they were on the menue????
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
Actually Brat he already has a commission from F35. The F35B's Vtol system is a three way Hybrid the lift fan is a modern take on the Ryan system, the thrust vectoring to control the horizontal movements is from the Harrier and the 3 barring swivel was licensed from the Russian Yak Design Bureau. Yak is now part of the Russian United Aviation corporation which is in turn owned by the Russian government which is intern owned by Vladimir Putin.
Actually Brat he already has a commission from F35. The F35B's Vtol system is a three way Hybrid the lift fan is a modern take on the Ryan system, the thrust vectoring to control the horizontal movements is from the Harrier and the 3 barring swivel was licensed from the Russian Yak Design Bureau. Yak is now part of the Russian United Aviation corporation which is in turn owned by the Russian government which is intern owned by Vladimir Putin.
Jura The idiot
General
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
thank you for sharing your opinions, but now I read the article again and its point, it seems to me, is the Koreans couldn't arm ALL of their F-35s (if needed) because they paid only $6911m and didn't add about $500m -- I'm just "interpreting" that article (but I don't know if it's true what it says
thank you for sharing your opinions, but now I read the article again and its point, it seems to me, is the Koreans couldn't arm ALL of their F-35s (if needed) because they paid only $6911m and didn't add about $500m -- I'm just "interpreting" that article (but I don't know if it's true what it says
thunderchief
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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
IMHO, F135 engine will be one of the biggest failure points for F-35 . As you all know, F135 is a derivative of F119 , engine for F-22. Originally it was envisioned that ADF (F-22) and JSF (F-35) would share same engine , only ADF would have two and JSF one (something like original F-15 and F-16, JSF being smaller and cheaper brother) .
F119 is very good engine, bleeding edge technology with T/W ratio over 9. Unfortunately, even that is not good enough for F-35 with its fat and stubby shape. Pratt & Whitney promised same weight with increased thrust with T/W ratio over 11 . And with current level of technology ... well I'm afraid that's not going to be that easy. Sure, F135 could go to a full A/B and maybe even achieve designed thrust of 192kN , but in practical terms any such maneuver would significantly reduce life span of the engine . In operational use, F-35 would be limited to significantly less A/B thrust, and max output would be reserved for emergency situations with mandatory inspections of engine after that .
IMHO, F135 engine will be one of the biggest failure points for F-35 . As you all know, F135 is a derivative of F119 , engine for F-22. Originally it was envisioned that ADF (F-22) and JSF (F-35) would share same engine , only ADF would have two and JSF one (something like original F-15 and F-16, JSF being smaller and cheaper brother) .
F119 is very good engine, bleeding edge technology with T/W ratio over 9. Unfortunately, even that is not good enough for F-35 with its fat and stubby shape. Pratt & Whitney promised same weight with increased thrust with T/W ratio over 11 . And with current level of technology ... well I'm afraid that's not going to be that easy. Sure, F135 could go to a full A/B and maybe even achieve designed thrust of 192kN , but in practical terms any such maneuver would significantly reduce life span of the engine . In operational use, F-35 would be limited to significantly less A/B thrust, and max output would be reserved for emergency situations with mandatory inspections of engine after that .
wtlh
Junior Member
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
I think it was a mistake at the beginning to set the F-35 as a single engine design. It was initially decided on cost grounds---overcoming big resistance from the Navy, but on the hindsight much of the problems the programme had experienced would be mitigated if they had considered a two engine layout (and made it larger) at the beginning; and the resulted delays and subsequent cost increases had largely made the initial selling point of the single engine decision rather moot.
I think it was a mistake at the beginning to set the F-35 as a single engine design. It was initially decided on cost grounds---overcoming big resistance from the Navy, but on the hindsight much of the problems the programme had experienced would be mitigated if they had considered a two engine layout (and made it larger) at the beginning; and the resulted delays and subsequent cost increases had largely made the initial selling point of the single engine decision rather moot.
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
I think a single engine design was also easier to convert to STOVL than twin engine... which leads to questions about whether JSF should have had a STOVL variant in the first place, but it's a bit late for that now.
However I do think they can bring production costs down in future. And despite some kinematic short comings, F-35 is still going to be one of the most competent fighters ever built simply through its avionics and its integration into the larger system of systems approach, which will probably make it able to defeat virtually all opposing non 5th generation, non networked fighters.
Welcome to the forum btw, your contributions here will be as valued here as they are over on CDF.
I think a single engine design was also easier to convert to STOVL than twin engine... which leads to questions about whether JSF should have had a STOVL variant in the first place, but it's a bit late for that now.
However I do think they can bring production costs down in future. And despite some kinematic short comings, F-35 is still going to be one of the most competent fighters ever built simply through its avionics and its integration into the larger system of systems approach, which will probably make it able to defeat virtually all opposing non 5th generation, non networked fighters.
Welcome to the forum btw, your contributions here will be as valued here as they are over on CDF.
Equation
Lieutenant General
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Who knows the F135 could be develop further for the next twin engine 6th generation stealth fighter some day. And we all know Boeing is working on the concept design as of now.
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Who knows the F135 could be develop further for the next twin engine 6th generation stealth fighter some day. And we all know Boeing is working on the concept design as of now.
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
2 AIM-120 on the main internal hard point on an adapter, planned for a Block 4 letter ? about 2021 normaly.
Interesting get 6 AAM number more close others fighters and according statistic only about 50 % to 2/3 reach their targets because ECM, evasive maneuvers... and 4 a little weak.
2 AIM-120 on the main internal hard point on an adapter, planned for a Block 4 letter ? about 2021 normaly.
Interesting get 6 AAM number more close others fighters and according statistic only about 50 % to 2/3 reach their targets because ECM, evasive maneuvers... and 4 a little weak.
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wtlh
Junior Member
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread
Thanks Bltizo.
In terms of the advanced avionics of F-35, I wonder what would be stopping them from being (at least partly) retrofitted to the current generation of airframes, politics and patents etc aside. Are these technically not possible? I very much doubt it.
The ability to integrate into the larger network systems is a concept rather than something unique to F-35, and this can be applied to all combat systems provided the relevant communication and processing systems are fitted. This concept is not by itself new, and has been around for decades now, and the improvement in communication technology, miniaturisation of electronics and the increase in data processing power allowed this to become very much a practical reality. The F-35 just had the newest and the most capable systems installed to date, but is not really that revolutionary in terms of existing US military capabilities (the media and PR agencies will just report anything they think most public would not know as revolutionary).
I think most first-tier militaries in the world with enough budgets are going in the same direction. When every time the PLA said something about "war in information age", this is what they are referring to---look how they have retrofitted all of their legacy Type-59s still in service with data-link systems which are also found on the newer ZTZ-99s, 96s etc.
In the future, individual systems will just be nodes the integrated defence network. The overall capability of the network is much more important than any individual nodes. And actually for this reason, the US is still going to be well a head and shoulder above everyone else in terms of combat capabilities in the next several decades EVEN IF the F-35 turn out to be not as good in terms of pure aircraft performances and capabilities. This is because they were the first to introduce the network concept, the first to implement it, and by now, after decades of implementation, had the comparatively the most extensive system and had the most battle experiences using and improving it.
Thanks Bltizo.
In terms of the advanced avionics of F-35, I wonder what would be stopping them from being (at least partly) retrofitted to the current generation of airframes, politics and patents etc aside. Are these technically not possible? I very much doubt it.
The ability to integrate into the larger network systems is a concept rather than something unique to F-35, and this can be applied to all combat systems provided the relevant communication and processing systems are fitted. This concept is not by itself new, and has been around for decades now, and the improvement in communication technology, miniaturisation of electronics and the increase in data processing power allowed this to become very much a practical reality. The F-35 just had the newest and the most capable systems installed to date, but is not really that revolutionary in terms of existing US military capabilities (the media and PR agencies will just report anything they think most public would not know as revolutionary).
I think most first-tier militaries in the world with enough budgets are going in the same direction. When every time the PLA said something about "war in information age", this is what they are referring to---look how they have retrofitted all of their legacy Type-59s still in service with data-link systems which are also found on the newer ZTZ-99s, 96s etc.
In the future, individual systems will just be nodes the integrated defence network. The overall capability of the network is much more important than any individual nodes. And actually for this reason, the US is still going to be well a head and shoulder above everyone else in terms of combat capabilities in the next several decades EVEN IF the F-35 turn out to be not as good in terms of pure aircraft performances and capabilities. This is because they were the first to introduce the network concept, the first to implement it, and by now, after decades of implementation, had the comparatively the most extensive system and had the most battle experiences using and improving it.