Thermobaric is far more effective at bunker busting. It's basically a fuel air weapon, HE. Davy Crockett weapon is a small tactical nuke device capable of being launched by troops I don't see how the two are related unless by78 is confusing thermobaric with thermonuclear, so I don't get that suggestion. Anyway thermobaric is unlikely to damage MBTs otherwise ATGMs would all be using thermobaric warheads.
ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks
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He's mocking FangYuan over his contention that a hypothetical shell for the ZTQ-15 could make it an effective weapon to disable tanks. From the same logic, a hypothetical nuclear shell for the ZTQ-15 would make it a very effective weapon to disable tanks.
FangYuan isn't completely wrong regarding the thermobarics, however. It's conceivable that the thermobaric shockwave could be sufficient to disable optical systems on a tank, but tanks often have redundant systems for that and it's not a guarantee that a blinded tank would retreat.
by78
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I was being sarcastic. My point, which I was going to make, if he hadn't had a emotional breakdown, was that 1) it's ridiculous to abandon tanks because optics are damaged, 2) even if that were true, a regular HEAT round would do just as good a job taking out optics, as would an atom bomb (which is not thermonuclear, by the way). Normally, fanboys are pretty thick-skinned, so I wasn't expecting to be derailed so quickly.
Thanks again for the insight. I assumed considerably higher velocity at least imparts greater kinetic energy. Did not think about how all that extra KE will do work towards penetration. Truth be told, I don't know how to. Since something like tip geometry and impact angle is far more important than even KE, I can imagine there's a chance all that extra speed may not yield much more penetration, ceteris paribus.
For the 155mm I was talking hyperbole. I know 155mm SPH are not meant for that kind of direct, small arc anti-tank engagement, just trying to say a proper 155mm anti-tank weapon would wreck an MBT like a 50 cal bullet from an antimaterial rifle can wreck a stack of dinner plates.
Fair enough but FangYuan didn't confuse thermobaric with thermonuclear and no one's confused thermonuclear with atomic weapons (well thermonuclear can fall under the spectrum of atomic weapons depending on how one defines "atomic weapons"), not even Inst's posts suggested this. A nuclear anti tank device would of course be effective but let's leave that alone since it's never been the point.
Thermobaric weapons should not be any more effective than HE let alone HEAT. If there'd be any difference at all if a thermobaric anti-tank weapon gets applied. Abandoning a tank due to replaceable optics is definitely foolish and probably untrue, at least for those reasons alone.
by78
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Thermobaric anti-tank weapons are just a silly fanboy idea. Utterly ridiculous. He proposed it without a clue what it meant or would entail, and threw a tantrum when I made fun of it.
Is it just me or this new crop of fanboys are ultra-sensitive?
My opinion is that a tank will temporarily lose its ability to fight. It needs fixing to get back to fighting. In many cases, the soldier may abandon the tank. (the war in Syria ...).
Reality has proven, during the war, there are situations that decide to destroy the tank so as not to fall into enemy hands.
Thermobaric anti-tank weapons are just a silly fanboy idea. Utterly ridiculous. He proposed it without a clue what it meant or would entail, and threw a tantrum when I made fun of it.
Is it just me or this new crop of fanboys are ultra-sensitive?
We've all got sensitive points hahaha. I'm not getting involved in this "thing" any further.
Yeah true although many things can mission kill a vehicle. Let's just leave this pointless thing.
by78
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What? Abandoning a tank because it's optics are damaged? Do you know how ridiculous this sounds? Even if both the commander's and gunner's sights were knocked out, the tank could just retreat to safety for repairs. Or do you not understand the difference between a tank's optics and its powerpack?