ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks

ougoah

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Well it seems the PLA may as well wait for ETC and Magnetized Plasma gun tech to reach MBT sizes for its 4th gen tank. Rather than simply slapping a 130mm or higher bore gun onto some better suited possibly unmanned turret with emphasis on new modular armour and APS. Well all the rest but with better firepower using ETC and MPA guns. If mach 6 is possible with even current APFSDS materials and density, it'll be nearly three times the kinetic energy compared to the best penetrators in PLA now. That's possibly gonna let it penetrate a M1A2 riding behind another M1A2 lol... I'm jk but yeah mach 6 penetrators will basically go through whatever you put in front of it. Give it high density depleted uranium and longer length and watch it slice through multiple heavy MBTs like a 155mm firing from <1km would.
 
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by78

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There's also the question of ETC gun technology (electro-thermal chemical). This can roughly double the energy available for a specific caliber. The Chinese are known to be researching ETC artillery guns (and that's what the plasma artillery they keep on talking about is really about)...

No, you don't know what you are talking about. ETC and magnetised plasma cannon (MPC) are two completely different things. The former has to do with a more efficient propellant burn, and the latter reduces wear on the barrel by providing a plasma sheath that serves as an insulator and also decreases radial force acting on the barrel.
 

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Captain
No, you don't know what you are talking about. ETC and magnetised plasma cannon (MPC) are two completely different things. The former has to do with a more efficient propellant burn, and the latter reduces wear on the barrel by providing a plasma sheath that serves as an insulator and also decreases radial force acting on the barrel.

Look up the bleeding ETC design. The shell is sheathed in a plasma cartridge.

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Reread your copy paste garbage, and how it amounts to roughly the same thing.

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Copy paste from Jane's on what ETC is supposed to do.

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Reconnaissance.

Read up on the concept of a reconnaissance tank:

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Usually a light tank or IFV, armored lightly.
 

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We can't say that w/o knowing organizational structure.
From outside, it has a standard optics kit for a modern tank.

The initial M3 recon variant of the M2 Bradley was just an M2 with more ammo and observers.

If you look at the VT5 variant of the ZTQ-15, it's billed as a reconnaissance tank. Some sources are also claiming that the ZTQ-15 is considered a light MBT as opposed to a light tank.
 

by78

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Look up the bleeding ETC design.

Why don't you provide a link? Or is it because you can't because you made it up?

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Reconnaissance.

Read up on the concept of a reconnaissance tank:

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Usually a light tank or IFV, armored lightly.

Where have you read that Type-15 is a recon tank? Where? Is there a link? Or are you lying through your teeth again?
 

RichardGao

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Well it seems the PLA may as well wait for ETC and Magnetized Plasma gun tech to reach MBT sizes for its 4th gen tank. Rather than simply slapping a 130mm or higher bore gun onto some better suited possibly unmanned turret with emphasis on new modular armour and APS. Well all the rest but with better firepower using ETC and MPA guns. If mach 6 is possible with even current APFSDS materials and density, it'll be nearly three times the kinetic energy compared to the best penetrators in PLA now. That's possibly gonna let it penetrate a M1A2 riding behind another M1A2 lol... I'm jk but yeah mach 6 penetrators will basically go through whatever you put in front of it. Give it high density depleted uranium and longer length and watch it slice through multiple heavy MBTs like a 155mm firing from <1km would.
IMO penetrators with 1000+ pen doesn't really help much at the moment... Unless your opponent is Leo II lol. Slapping a 140 onto 4th gen was the idea of PLA in the 90s while the (former) Soviet tank programs still had momentum, and in that time PLA did indeed try to put a 140/135mm onto a tank, but that need soon diminished after realizing that a true 4th gen of the 21st century doesn't only need statistical specs, but a lot of other auxillary abilities and advantages, and needs to be more integrated with the whole ground-air system. Strategic needs are also now no longer inferior to tactical needs for a tank, that's why we always thought weight reduction so important since the idea of a third-gen. I quote the words of Chief Designer of 99, 祝榆生, a well respected researcher: "系统取胜,功能覆盖,新技术先敌应用", rough translation: Win by system, have a wide coverage of functions and use new technologies before the enemy does." That's the systematic battle I've always been talking about, and as you can see from the quote tanks are not designated for some certain function like ATGMs are, they're simply weapons designed to accomplish and assist ground-based assault attacks, along with IFVs. And we also use new technologies to our advantage, which allows for more choices for development in the future. And BTW Mach 6 penetrators are actually not as efficient as the ones with same kinetic energy at 1600~1800mps... Because the higher speed doesn't really penetrate more than the slower one and the penetration dynamics would be more associated with fluid dynamics, and therefore we can't use structural design to our advantage... (Penetration of very high velocity solids can be seen as a fluid so therefore penetration only relevant with solid density) And PLA isn't interested in DU, we don't have so many nuclear waste and we have 60% of the world's Tungsten AND we have the technology to make self-sharpening W penetrators (already used in various munitions) ... There's also no 155mm gun in the world thatt can fire armor piercing rounds, what I talked about was using 155mm HE to anti-tank...
 

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The illustration clearly shows the plasma cartridge is outside the shell, and yet you lied to my face by saying the shell is "sheathed in a plasma cartridge".

Do you even know what the word "sheath" means?

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Moreover, I'll point out that the patent for magnetized plasma artillery clearly says that the expected MPA increase on 400,000 MPa is only 100 MPa, and that's achievable with 10 Teslas, about 10 times more than the standard magnetism of neodymium magnets. The most aggressive lab-type magnets tend to be around 100 Tesla. Other MBT guns in operation are already at the 550-600 MPa range.

The claimed performance of magnetized plasma technology is a 2x increase in power. Without resorting to ETC technology they won't be able to achieve it.
 
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