Zhuhai Air Show 2020

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
I thought swarm UAVs and even very cheap, mass produced UCAVs capable of A2A is so 2018. Wasn't all those concepts talked about for years? Of course they're in development and can be made at moments notice. The question is how effective they are. Western ones no exception. No one's put any into service yet pending effectiveness and how capable they end up being.

The inexpensive swarms and loitering munitions for ground forces have been in Chinese service for some time, ahead of the USA. Kratos copy? Yeah in outward aerodynamics and certainly only that. Even their roles may differ as Kratos is supposed to be some loyal wingman type drone and the Chinese loyal wingman type is the Dark Sword, many times larger. This FH stuff serve a different role. I'm sure Russia's GROM and India's Warrior are all to serve specialist roles in their services too. All these four platforms (six if we count Boeing's Loyal Wingman which is copied by India too in another) only share some trivial layout.

Dark Sword is above all of these small to mid size UAVs which are extremely conventional in design that it's no wonder Chinese, American, Russian, and Indian analogues all look alike. It's just a toy plane UAV without the cockpit shaped with layout almost identical to LockMart 5th gen fighter design. Boring but effective, another case of converging engineering and available technology + academic understanding.

The important details are the electronics and sensors they're fitted with, any arms they deploy, and the actual role they perform. On those, the FH at least seems to be different to the other three in that it is some sensor node that supposedly also just drops more drones? Something... didn't pay attention to the video which was just marketing stuff. You can use my drone in these ways... okay, moving on.

Actual PLAAF used loyal wingman will probably either resemble GJ-11 type layout as Russia and the US have both indicated they are pursuing or the Dark Sword's layout. These FH stuff just don't have the range, speed or payload to be a decent loyal wingman. If attrition is the goal, then China already wins since it has 1000 types of drones and can produce them faster and cheaper along with the missiles of course. The US want to go down a path of cheap and plentiful drone warfare... this is China's strength.
The thing that makes Kratos Valkyrie like systems unique is their expendability. Kratos number one priority is expendability. A loyal wingman type drone like GJ-11 or S-70 etc cost almost as much as a 4th gen manned fighter jet.
Their whole point is to bring numbers to the theatre, distribute sensors and give more targets to focus for the adversary. In this way, they differentiate themselves from a loyal wingman type drone.

Cost and numbers is their prime focus. 2 million is cheap for a drone like xb-58. Inserting them into the theatre of operations is another question and since it is runway independent it is easy.
 

Temstar

Brigadier
Registered Member
Possibly feeding inflammatory topics here... but does anyone remember the original MCA concept PPT with no vertical stabilizers? (really dating myself here)
I remember that, let me find it:
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I recall back then Tejas was still called LCA and seeing this in an article about the two programs. My friend upon seeing this drawing said to me "what it's rocket powered? Where's the intake?"
 

nlalyst

Junior Member
Registered Member
That strange ASM seen under a JF-17 model are air-launched variants of the HD-1 called HD-1A:

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Wow. That's quite a step up. Two 1,200kg missiles. Is this a Block III airframe?

If I am not mistaken, the heaviest missile the JF-17 had up till now carried was the CM-400 AKG, which was reported to weigh 910kg.

I wonder if there is still room for a 800 liter tank and 2 PL-9 missiles.
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
Munitions...

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Now we know AMM-10 is a air to surface weapon, not air to air missile, but still never heard of this before. Length looks like 3 to 4 meters, maybe Anti-Radiation Missile? There is a placard that would probably tell us, but it's not clear
 
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