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Re: the real WZ 10
neither did I, but i sure did doupt most of the pics labeld "WZ-10". The most covincing proof to me is that this new pic and the two others (one with the J-11 alongside) are all about the same plane...
neither did I, but i sure did doupt most of the pics labeld "WZ-10". The most covincing proof to me is that this new pic and the two others (one with the J-11 alongside) are all about the same plane...
Re: the real WZ 10
1) Yes, almost certainly its an anti-vehicle ("anti-tank") helicopter with a close support role and probably a limited anti-helicopter and anti-UAV (tactical ones, not things like Predator) using light IR guided missiles.
2) Not in the sense of a bomber but technically it's guided anti-tank missiles are PGMs.
3) almost certainly no. It could be modified for that type of role but bigger helicopters with more crew would be a more obvious choice.
Roger604 said:[Bows down and kowtow to the ground
Does anybody know.....
1) is WZ-10 supposed to be primarily ground attack?
2) can it carry PGM's?
3) can it act as radar platform for ground installations?
1) Yes, almost certainly its an anti-vehicle ("anti-tank") helicopter with a close support role and probably a limited anti-helicopter and anti-UAV (tactical ones, not things like Predator) using light IR guided missiles.
2) Not in the sense of a bomber but technically it's guided anti-tank missiles are PGMs.
3) almost certainly no. It could be modified for that type of role but bigger helicopters with more crew would be a more obvious choice.
Re: the real WZ 10
lol, this picture has been all over the Chinese forums recently. I guess given the clarity of the photo, China is finally declassifying this project. Nice!
This other photo was also recently released recently on CCTV. It's not a real photo, but another evidence that China is declassifying the project.
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According to Huitong, there were 8 prototypes of this plane by the end of 2004. Sinodefence on claimed 6. Let's just say up to 10 prototypes for this helicopter. Not too unexpected for a project of this importance. As for procurement numbers. I will go back to the Kanwa report that 10 P&W engine has already been imported for WZ-10 (each WZ-10 requires 2 engine) and another 50 is getting imported. So, I'm guessing an initial product run of 20 WZ-10.
Here is the article.
lol, this picture has been all over the Chinese forums recently. I guess given the clarity of the photo, China is finally declassifying this project. Nice!
This other photo was also recently released recently on CCTV. It's not a real photo, but another evidence that China is declassifying the project.
- note, this image may not show up.
According to Huitong, there were 8 prototypes of this plane by the end of 2004. Sinodefence on claimed 6. Let's just say up to 10 prototypes for this helicopter. Not too unexpected for a project of this importance. As for procurement numbers. I will go back to the Kanwa report that 10 P&W engine has already been imported for WZ-10 (each WZ-10 requires 2 engine) and another 50 is getting imported. So, I'm guessing an initial product run of 20 WZ-10.
Here is the article.
Re: the real WZ 10
I guess Z-8F is getting into service to then from the look of this.
Speaking of which, they had some photos of new Z-8 going into service.
if you read the article, it says that WZ-10 is getting 50 PT6B-67C and Z-8F is getting 50 PT6B-67A. Actually, it said that they are getting at least that many. The final sum is not mentionned at the moment. It's worth noting that the first few WZ-10 may not have been using 67C as the engine or at least that's what I remember Kanwa said about what P&W exported to China.planeman said:
I guess Z-8F is getting into service to then from the look of this.
Speaking of which, they had some photos of new Z-8 going into service.
Re: the real WZ 10
Me, too. There are so many PS, that few of the more reliable pictures seem also unconvincible. But lately WZ10 pics have been appearing in Chinese forum more often, I am hoping there would be more close up photo to confirm what exactly WZ10 look like.Gollevainen said:
Re: the real WZ 10
Well the PLA seems to be acquiring WZ-9Gs faster than acquiring normal Z-9s, so it appears that PLA are pretty interested in the attack helicopter thing.
20 sounds reasonable for preproduction run and evaluation. But gosh, why depend on foreign engines so much, wish Chinese aero industry would one day make its own comparable engines, will make logistics much easier and you can build aircraft whenever u want rather than waiting for foreign engines to come. I mean 50 engines, god the WZ-10 uses 2 already, and u gotta save some for spares...
I'd expect around 100 to be procured...won't be a huge number since China will not face another land invasion, and might export this baby in the future...perhaps a future candidate to replace Pakistan and Iran's AH-1s. As for a naval variant, i highly doubt it until PLAN operates a decent sized LPD or helicopter carrier. It would be an excellent counter to Taiwan's small missile boats though.
Its good that the WZ-10 appears to feature some stealthy design characteristics...unlike the chunky looking Russian choppers.
Well the PLA seems to be acquiring WZ-9Gs faster than acquiring normal Z-9s, so it appears that PLA are pretty interested in the attack helicopter thing.
20 sounds reasonable for preproduction run and evaluation. But gosh, why depend on foreign engines so much, wish Chinese aero industry would one day make its own comparable engines, will make logistics much easier and you can build aircraft whenever u want rather than waiting for foreign engines to come. I mean 50 engines, god the WZ-10 uses 2 already, and u gotta save some for spares...
I'd expect around 100 to be procured...won't be a huge number since China will not face another land invasion, and might export this baby in the future...perhaps a future candidate to replace Pakistan and Iran's AH-1s. As for a naval variant, i highly doubt it until PLAN operates a decent sized LPD or helicopter carrier. It would be an excellent counter to Taiwan's small missile boats though.
Its good that the WZ-10 appears to feature some stealthy design characteristics...unlike the chunky looking Russian choppers.
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