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Atomicfrog

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The Z-20's engines are supposed to have higher power right? AFAIK the Black Hawk and the Apache use engines of the same family.
I think it is a matter of time until we see an attack helicopter with those engines. They already got most of the propulsion and flight control technology with the Z-20. Just think of the time it took for the US to develop the Cobra from the Huey. They did this really quickly.
It isn't even their first attack helicopter, it will be the third? They are used to doing such conversions already I think. Just look at Z-19.
The major issue, I think, will be to develop new weapon systems that take advantage of the heavier helicopter. Things like rockets are easy enough but missiles not so much.
Range and survivability could be advantages for an heavier attack helicopter.

Maybe a bigger gun and more ammo for better close-air support ? 8 antitank missiles and 2 big rockets pods are enough for most mission anyway.
 

daifo

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Range and survivability could be advantages for an heavier attack helicopter.

Maybe a bigger gun and more ammo for better close-air support ? 8 antitank missiles and 2 big rockets pods are enough for most mission anyway.

Future weapon and warfare tactics may change. I recently saw a video of micro drones delivering a explosive charge to target. Using drones or being attack by drone swarm may be a thing future helo/troops operations may face. There may be roles of attack copters using ecm or some other means to knock out adversary defense systems.
 

Orthan

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WZ16 is not license built engine It is cooperative work with both company own the IP and built entirely using domestic source part as such yes China can use it for military purpose if they decide so.
The WZ-16 is the chinese name for the ardiden 3C, and it seems to me that it is just a jointly developed sino-french version of the french ardiden 3 engine. Its not really a new engine.

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TBH, i have a really hard time believing that china entirely owns the IP of this engine. Otherwise, they could just produce them by themselves and cut safran itself from the market.
 

gelgoog

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The WZ-16 is the chinese name for the ardiden 3C, and it seems to me that it is just a jointly developed sino-french version of the french ardiden 3 engine. Its not really a new engine.

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TBH, i have a really hard time believing that china entirely owns the IP of this engine. Otherwise, they could just produce them by themselves and cut safran itself from the market.

It is likely a licensed design. From what I understand all the parts can be produced in China. If they paid a lump sum upfront or are paying a certain amount of money per engine built I don't know. But it likely was a lump sum.
 

Hendrik_2000

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The WZ-16 is the chinese name for the ardiden 3C, and it seems to me that it is just a jointly developed sino-french version of the french ardiden 3 engine. Its not really a new engine.

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TBH, i have a really hard time believing that china entirely owns the IP of this engine. Otherwise, they could just produce them by themselves and cut safran itself from the market.

It is joint IP where Safran design the hot part and the chinese designed the cold part But source most of the part from China. It is just design so assuming Safran embargo it can't prevent China from manufacturing the engine
 

kentchang

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It is not license the cold part is designed by the Chinese the hot part is designed by Safran. Both company own the IP
Both parties have full IP to use with their respective helicopters and marketing. I am sure the Europeans are smart enough to make sure the two versions are not plug-in-compatible. I thought it was a 50-50 development deal (i.e. no payment) but this is really old news.
 

broadsword

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The WZ-16 is the chinese name for the ardiden 3C, and it seems to me that it is just a jointly developed sino-french version of the french ardiden 3 engine. Its not really a new engine.

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TBH, i have a really hard time believing that china entirely owns the IP of this engine. Otherwise, they could just produce them by themselves and cut safran itself from the market.

I had never come across someone suggesting China entirely owns the IP of the engine until now, but I admit I don't follow this subject very closely.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Do the pilots always wear the leather coats? even into combat? feel like that could be uncomfortable. fatigues seem better?
Why do Pilots wear Leather coats.
1 Part practical, 1 Part Tradition, 2 parts Tom Cruise.
1 Part practical. Aircraft operate at a verity of altitude but generally well above sea level in unpressurized cockpits that means the temperatures can drop pretty fast. Even world war 1 era biplane pilots bundled up due to the combination of wind chill and altitude.
The later brings in tradition, in WW1-2 and a little after Leather, Asbestos and wool were really the only fire resistant materials available in clothing. Once synthetic fire retardant materials became available in most applications these were out moated yet still modern Fire fighters wear leather boots with cotton thread due to comfort ruggedness and because leather can be fire resistant. Over the decades non leather flight jackets have been developed from time to time but Tom Cruise comes in here.
Tom Cruise as let’s face it A well made well aged leather jacket is snazzy, the epitome of Cool. Wether a Motorcycle jacket, Field jacket, Flight jacket, leather vest ecta. It’s a proven fact that if people like something they will use it more.

On the other side of the question is Fatigue uniforms. Until the last two decades reality is that Fire resistant clothing was really expensive and specialized to coveralls and fire fighting ensembles. Even today it’s still going to cost more than equivalent work wear and require specialized laundering so as not to reduce the effectiveness. Fatigues have been designed primarily for cheap manufacturing with some camouflage properties not as much again until the last decade for FR. Factor in the environmental aspects and it favors more specialized clothing.
 

by78

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Thick left armor plate (左装甲).

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