An interesting sequence. Gives you an idea of the coverage from a formation of merely four Z-10s.
Going by their tails, I think at least two of them are Z-19s if not all four.
Neat pictures though.
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Going by their tails, I think at least two of them are Z-19s if not all four.
Neat pictures though.
Not to my understanding even if since some time a new heavy attack helicopter is under development ans some even assume it to be unveiled pretty "soon" ... again unknown how soon could be soon.
By the way, has anyone heard anything about its possible configuration and layout?
I havent followed this thread much, but wasnt Z-10 supposed to get the WZ-16 engines which would make it as powerfull as the mi-28? I think that it there may be problems in this, because WZ-16 was built with safran and i dont know if the engine is clear for military use.
The Z-20's engines are supposed to have higher power right? AFAIK the Black Hawk and the Apache use engines of the same family.
I think it is a matter of time until we see an attack helicopter with those engines. They already got most of the propulsion and flight control technology with the Z-20. Just think of the time it took for the US to develop the Cobra from the Huey. They did this really quickly.
It isn't even their first attack helicopter, it will be the third? They are used to doing such conversions already I think. Just look at Z-19.
The major issue, I think, will be to develop new weapon systems that take advantage of the heavier helicopter. Things like rockets are easy enough but missiles not so much.
I think it is a matter of time until we see an attack helicopter with those engines. They already got most of the propulsion and flight control technology with the Z-20. Just think of the time it took for the US to develop the Cobra from the Huey. They did this really quickly.
It isn't even their first attack helicopter, it will be the third? They are used to doing such conversions already I think. Just look at Z-19.
The major issue, I think, will be to develop new weapon systems that take advantage of the heavier helicopter. Things like rockets are easy enough but missiles not so much.
Wow, these units has the older style electro-optics but with the newer hull. I've never seen this kind of configuration before.Z-10Hs belonging to the 79th Group Army taking off for a winter exercise.
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WZ16 is not license built engine It is cooperative work with both company own the IP and built entirely using domestic source part as such yes China can use it for military purpose if they decide so. Only recently certified but the Helicopter AC 352 aka WZ15 is not yet certified still undergoing testing. I don't think WZ 16 is for Z20 We seen the latest Z20 with the exhaust oriented upward that is indication it use more powerful engine since it directed hot gas to the rotor probably new version of WZ 9C
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Why would China develop a whole new attack helicopter. If China have a much more powerful engine for the Z-10 then they can upgrade the armor, sub systems and sensors and just ad new features to the existing design. The only new design that would make sense is a new unmanned attack helicopter.
It's my understanding that the Z-10 already has a more powerful engine. It's not the WZ-16 but rather a WZ-10? engine the same engine as the Z-20 helicopter.
It's my understanding that the Z-10 already has a more powerful engine. It's not the WZ-16 but rather a WZ-10? engine the same engine as the Z-20 helicopter.
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Hendrik_2000
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I don't think so WZ 9 power output is around 1000 KW Whereas WZ 10 power output is 1600 Kw. And you need 2 of those for the helicopter way too big for the air frame. WZ 16 power output is around 1600 sHp or 1200 Kw that would be ideal Not sure if the dimension will fit Z10
Safran and AECC introduce the WZ16, the first jointly-developed aero engine to be certified in China
10 October 2019, China Helicopter Exposition, TianjinSafran Helicopter Engines and Aero Engine Corporation of China (AECC) announce the issue of the Type Certificate for the WZ16 turboshaft from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC). Installed in the AVIC AC352 helicopter, the WZ16 is the first jointly-developed aero engine to be entirely certified by Chinese authorities. Also known as the Ardiden 3C, the WZ16 has been jointly developed and built by Safran Helicopter Engines, with Harbin Dongan Engine and Hunan Aerospace Propulsion Research Institute (HAPRI), both parts of the AECC consortium. The Ardiden 3C was certified by EASA in April 2018.
The WZ16/Ardiden 3C is a new-generation turboshaft in the 1,700-2,000 shp range. The Ardiden 3 family has completed over 10,000 hours of tests, confirming high levels of design maturity and competitive operating and maintenance costs. It features a remarkably compact modular architecture, a best-in-class power-to-weight ratio and low cost-of-ownership. It also delivers at least 10 % better fuel consumption than engines operating in the same power range.
The WZ16 flight test campaign started in December 2016 with the Avic AC352's maiden flight.
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