I agree. That's also throwing me off.
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I agree. That's also throwing me off.
To admit I slowly get the feeling that these new batch Z-10H are in fact nothing more than late-pre-serial now modified to enter service.
My main argument are the fuselage details esp. like the tail-gear ... since no newly / recently seen aircraft have this old-prototype-style design.
Deino
My main argument are the fuselage details esp. like the tail-gear ... since no newly / recently seen aircraft have this old-prototype-style design.
Deino
These modifications means they have a new engine and they may replace the older fleet with the new engines when the time comes.
If you ask me its more likely that the new engine will be a upgraded WZ-9 than the WZ-16. Because the WZ-16 hasn't even flown yet with its intended platform the Z-15 and not to mention the WZ-16 is heavily reliant on French technology. I don't think they will be happy over at the Elysee that the Chinese are using French technology in the Z-10 gunships.
asif iqbal
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A IR jammer doesn't ness essay mean that's it's go a new engine
If there was a new engine would see it
If there was a new engine would see it
Its not only the IR jammers but they seem to have revived the original design. They had to abandone the original design and make compromises because of weight. The WZ-9 engines was to weak to take on the weight. Now that they have revived that old original design means that they have been able to solve the engine problems.
The original run of the WZ-9 was back in 2009 so it is now about 6 years ago. Its not unreasonable to presume that they have been able to develop a more powerful version of that engine in that time. Jet engines these days is a national priority for China. And they have thrown a s***load of money on it. Turboshaft engines are technologically still less demanding than turbofan engines.
It's not clear if changes on the production version like changed canopy windows for increased crew visibility, or the cut off bottom tail fin were part of the weight compromises.
Those are the only changes I see here aside from the jammer and sensor turret, and something like the revised rear gear seem like practical changes for easier handling, so I'm not sure the two pieces of revised avionics and gear on an older design is really evidence of a revival.
asif iqbal
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I agree with what you are saying but how does that justify Z-10H is using new engine?? As far as ai can see the engine compartment and engine exhausts don't look any different and so I can't conclude they are using a new engine?
Or are you simply just saying they have maybe improved the engine since it's been years since induction? IR yes it's there but that alone doesn't mean new engine
AssassinsMace
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The rear seat side window on that pic looks like the original style. In the new frame the window is more similar to the one up front. Wouldn't it just be easier if these were new to use the new frame instead of going back to the original just for a window?
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RickHunter
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Someone told me these Z-10H is not H but Z-10K, for 15th Airbone. And they said soon these helos got some problems on the tail, and the customer sent them back to Harbin.
I'm not sure, just forget it. Fake information is everywhere.
I'm not sure, just forget it. Fake information is everywhere.
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