Z-10 thread

[AlyxMS]

I think though in the case of armoured helo vs armoured helo it comes down to who fires first. Also armoured helos are not really designed for hunting each other as the main mission requirement.

Well I didn't mean that literally.
I should've been clearer. I mean the WZ-10 does not equal to AH-64 since it had less capability compared to the AH-64 because it's a lighter chopper.

If it really is a Helo vs Helo combat I think the WZ-10 might actually win.
Since PLA choppers (Z-9, Z-19 and Z-10) are designed with air to air capability (I don't know why would they do that, chopper vs chopper combats are extremely rare) and although hellfires are capable of hitting aerial targets, it wasn't designed to do that.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

most late model Combat choppers are designed with some Air to Air defence capacity. AH1Z have for example carried Sidewinders and Apaches carry stingers. It's a absolute fall back not a intended mission though.

 

[Dizasta1]

The WZ-10 is much lighter compared to the AH-64. It is closer to an AH-1Z than a AH-64. Which is great for replacing the AH-1 fleet but not taking AH-64s head on.

Err .... they're not in the same category of gunships (AH-1Z & WZ-10), hence aren't comparable. For starters ....

AH-1Z: Single

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Engine producing 1800 SHP
WZ-10: Dual Turbo-Shaft Engine producing 2700 SHP

AH-1Z: Range 576 km
WZ-10: Range 800+ km

Wrong on both counts!

 

[no_name]

Maybe not a bad idea for choppers to carry a pair of small AA missiles for self defense.

Would be a shame if an attack helo got downed by say a UAV drone.

 

[Equation]

Maybe not a bad idea for choppers to carry a pair of small AA missiles for self defense.

Would be a shame if an attack helo got downed by say a UAV drone.

But the PLA WZ-10 does carry AA missiles.

BEIJING: The

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today said the first ingenuously developed military attack helicopter

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has launched its first air-to-air missile successfully intercepting low-altitude targets.


The WZ-10, meaning "armed helicopter", carried out the launch during a live-fire drill involving army aviation troops of the

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in the eastern waters off south China's Guangdong Province last week, state-run Xinhua news agency reported today.

The drill, which was also the largest-scale activity held to study combat methods since the building up of the aviation troops, conducted six operations, covering fire, close fire support, special assaults, air landing at the wing side, fire interception and move by leapfrogging.

The WZ-10 is designed primarily for anti-tank missions and was first seen in public at the 9th

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and Aerospace Exhibition in the southern city of

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in Guangdong in 2012.

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[no_name]

^^ I know, I was referring to Terran's post.

 

[AlyxMS]

Err .... they're not in the same category of gunships (AH-1Z & WZ-10), hence aren't comparable. For starters ....

AH-1Z: Single

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Engine producing 1800 SHP
WZ-10: Dual Turbo-Shaft Engine producing 2700 SHP

AH-1Z: Range 576 km
WZ-10: Range 800+ km

Wrong on both counts!

From what I can find AH-1Z had two turboshafts producing 3600 shp combined.
Giving it a higher useful load mass compared to the WZ-10.
Were you referring to the single engined AH-1J? It had one single engine. 1800 SHP.

About the range, AH-1Z had a range of 685km.
The 576 km range is for the AH-1J.

The AH-64 had a superior load and range compared to the AH-1Z.
Hence the WZ-10 is closer to the class of AH-1Z than the heavy AH-64.

 

[Black Shark]

Err .... they're not in the same category of gunships (AH-1Z & WZ-10), hence aren't comparable. For starters ....

AH-1Z: Single

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Engine producing 1800 SHP
WZ-10: Dual Turbo-Shaft Engine producing 2700 SHP

AH-1Z: Range 576 km
WZ-10: Range 800+ km

Wrong on both counts!

For starters...AH-1Z has two Ge-700-401C engines, not just one, the early models of Cobras G/H/P/F had single engine later models like J/W and Z have two engines.

Also you do not summe up the shp of two engines, that is not how it works. Both engines only share the workload, but it does not summe up to the double of shp, workload stays the same and is shared between engines, even if you use 10 engines the shp stays the same only workload devides among the engines.

And the WZ-10,AH-1Z and AH-64E are very comparable, share similiar requirements and role of use and the technologies that are worked on also represent counterparts which most attack helicopters don't have only US/Russia and China share such technologies so far, with one minor development of Turkeys mildar radar, however the rest stay unique to those three countries of development of new technologies.

The AH-64 had a superior load and range compared to the AH-1Z.
Hence the WZ-10 is closer to the class of AH-1Z than the heavy AH-64.

The AH-64 has a higher payload yes, but it has inferior range the AH-64E has range of 408km with its fuel tanks, not counting external or additional fuel tank (robby tank).

 

[AlyxMS]

*Snip*

Thanks for all these information.
Learned a lot.

 

[Blitzo]

Okay, we need to sort something out.

The name of all PLA helicopters is designated Z-, not WZ-
Unfortunately various internet places like wikipedia have made it out like WZ- is the equivalent to the US's "AH-" which it isn't. "WZ-10" should be Z-10, and this thread title should actually be changed.
WZ is the prefix for turboshafts.