Z-10 thread

[cyan1320]

I think you mean transvestites? They should have no business doing near a WZ-10

You guys are thinking of Thailand

 

[kyanges]

You guys are thinking of Thailand

Not sure if everyone has seen that movie, lol.

 

[Pmichael]

12.7x107 and 14.5x114mm have no purpose on a modern antitank chopper. 20mm, 23mm, 25mm, 30mm, 35mm,37mm and 40mm are the only reasonable options for a proper attack helicopter, however given the weight and structure of the gun on the Z10 shows a smaller calibre then the beefy rounds on that list and the fact that the PLA as is does not use 20mm rounds strongly suggests the 23×115mm round.

I would love to see some arguments for this claim.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

I would love to see some arguments for this claim.

I suggest reviewing the thread more then one page.

1) the M134 Minigun is the lightest Gun systems found in nose turret of a dedicated attack. Those were used in Early versions of the AH1 Cobra series and replaced by 20mm cannon as although fine for close range. The Russian Hind D started with the YAK-B 12.7x108mm Gatling gun. once again in operation excellent against soft vehicles and infantry but once both choppers were re targeted specifically against tanks what happened?
AH1J super Cobra turreted M197 electric cannon is a three-barreled electric Gatling-type rotary cannon.
Mi24P fixed Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2
Mi35M Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23 (ГШ-23) is a twin-barreled 23 mm autocannon.
Why? Higher range better HE potential improved anti vehicle anti infantry capacity.
2) second reason the smaller caliber rounds are not likely used for the Z10 is capacity vs rate of fire vs weight. since smaller caliber rounds are lighter and smaller a attack chopper can carry more rounds but since they lack power to compensate one would want a higher rate of fire. The best answer would be a Gatling gun. the Rate of fire and rotation makes these guns highly stable and very accurate. so then look at the Z10. a single skinny very long barrel cannon, why would you use that for a 12.7? the weight of a QJZ 89 is only what 39 pounds. So? If you wanted to turret mount a system with such a caliber why not go whole hog a Yak B only weighs 99 pounds, as to a heavier version well I have no concrete data but the 20mm M197 comes in at 132 pounds so a Comparable weight of a 3 barrel Gatling in 14.5x114 would probably fit in between. And the Russian GSH23 Twin barrel 23mm cannon is 108 pounds. above that the Bushmaster 25mm cannon is 262 pounds with a length of over 8 feet. the gun on the Z10 is not that long and it has a very plain profile seemingly lacking a muzzle break which are common for higher caliber cannons.
The PLA uses no known 20mm cannons they move form the 14.5mm to the 23mm round.

okay so what about the bigger guns? 25mm cannons are rare on choppers but reasonable. 30mm are the norm they offer fire power form Attach choppers that can take on most enemy threats and compatibility with IFV's the maximum I gave as my argument is 40mm and even that is a stretch such a gun of that type likely be based on either the CT40CTSW or the Bushmaster IV but in either case the gun system pushing over 800 pounds. That would demand a really heavily belt turret system or mounting housing. any larger and the recoil and weight well beyond reality.

 

[shen]

We still don't have official confirmation, but turret cannon on Z-10 is most likely a 23mm chain gun. Norinco has a marketing a 23mm chaingun that looks like a 23mm version of MK242. Z-9G is known to carry a 23mm gun pod.
23x115mm is good round for attack helicopter. Heavy MG round such as 14.5mm is far inferior because it doesn't have HE payload. Even 20mm only pack around 6g of HE. While 23mm packs around 18g of HE. Due to US Army's infatuation with HEDP round, the 30mm round for M230 gun on Apache is not much better with 21.5g of HE, but the gun and ammo is bigger and heavier.

 

[Deino]

Has anyone seen the report about Chinese attack helicopters in the latest "Air Forces Monthly" written by Jakub Fojtik ??

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CHINESE ATTACK HELICOPTERS
In a world where sanctions, vetoes, clones and copies play a big part, China's attack helicopters are finally emerging from the shadows as Jakub Fojtik explains.

 

[asif iqbal]

No but I will get my copy tomorrow does it say how many units are flying?

Also I must say I have lost count of the Z-19 units too

Between them probably over 200 attack helos are probably flying

 

[Deino]

No but I will get my copy tomorrow does it say how many units are flying?

Also I must say I have lost count of the Z-19 units too

Between them probably over 200 attack helos are probably flying

To admit I don't know anything about its content, since I cancelled by subscription a few years ago ... I was only surprised, since I do not know Jakub Fojtik as a specialist for Chinese stuff.

 

[fabolousguy]

It's 23mm chaingun

From these photos the chin gun of the WZ-10 looks really light. Was there ever a confirmation on what caliber it is? 12.7, 14, 20, 23, or 30mm, whether it is more a HMG or an autocannon?

 

[DigoSSA]

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