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delft

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And now for something truly different: the scandal about the London Metropolitan Police:
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Met devastated by Lawrence review - Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe

The head of the Metropolitan Police has said a damning report, which found officers had spied on the family of the murdered black teenager, Stephen Lawrence, is devastating for his force.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe told the London Evening Standard he had to ensure trust in the police was restored.

Met Commander Richard Walton, who was criticised in the report, has meanwhile been temporarily moved from his post.

The review has prompted a public inquiry into undercover policing.

It found that a "spy" working within the Lawrence camp had met Mr Walton - then an acting detective inspector, who had been seconded to the Met's Lawrence review team, responsible for making submissions to the Macpherson inquiry.

The report by Mark Ellison QC said it found Mr Walton's account of the meeting "less than straightforward to establish and somewhat troubling ".

Deputy Commissioner of the Met Craig Mackey has decided to move Mr Walton temporarily from his post as head of the Counter Terrorism Command to a non-operational role.

The Met has voluntarily referred the matter to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Earlier, Lord Condon, Met commissioner in 1993, said he did not authorise or know of "any action by any undercover officer".

The peer, who held the top post at Scotland Yard between 1993, when Stephen Lawrence was killed, and 2000, said: "Had I known I would have stopped this action immediately."

Lord Condon said he was "dismayed and saddened" by Thursday's findings about alleged police withholding of information.

He added that he would do all in his power to support ongoing investigations, and said he realised the "enormous anxiety and concern" the fresh allegations would cause the Lawrence family.

Meanwhile, the lawyer representing Stephen's mother earlier urged the Met to co-operate "fully" with the new investigation.

Imran Khan told the BBC police failings throughout the case went to "the highest level", and Doreen Lawrence wanted "heads to roll".

The Ellison review also found it could not be ruled out that corruption may have compromised the investigation into Stephen's killing in 1993.

It was one of several revelations to emerge about the Metropolitan Police's former undercover unit, the Special Demonstration Squad (SDS), in the review of the original handling of the case.

Stephen's father, Neville Lawrence, has expressed doubts that the planned judge-led public inquiry will be able to uncover the truth.

'Considered response'
The Ellison report found an SDS "spy" had worked within the "Lawrence family camp" during the Macpherson Inquiry, conducted in the late-90s to look at the way the police had investigated the murder of Stephen.

In his first response to Thursday's Ellison review, Sir Bernard told the Evening Standard it was "a devastating report for the Metropolitan Police and one of the worst days that I have seen as a police officer".

He said it had been "awful" to see the impact on Stephen Lawrence's family, for whom he had "enormous respect".

"I cannot rewrite history and the events of the past but I do have a responsibility to ensure the trust and the confidence of the people of London in the Met now and in the future. This will need a considered response to meet head on the concerns that have been expressed in yesterday's report," he said.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister David Cameron said he expected the public inquiry to get to the truth of the Stephen Lawrence murder case. He described Thursday's revelations as "very shocking".

"It should not have taken this long and the Lawrence family have suffered far too much," Mr Cameron said.
On Thursday, Home Secretary Theresa May told MPs the findings in the Ellison report had damaged the police and ordered the public inquiry.

"But this will get to the truth and will help us to make sure that we have the very best in terms of British policing which is what this country deserves."

'Complete honesty'

Earlier, speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Khan said that police failings in the handling of the Stephen Lawrence case went to "the highest level" but no officer had been held to account.

"What we want now is evidence... in the open, [and for] those officers to be either rooted out or to face, as Doreen wants, criminal prosecution. And indeed, as far as she's concerned, those officers at a senior level who made mistakes or otherwise acted improperly - for their heads to roll," he said.

Mr Khan also stressed that police had not been open with the original Macpherson Inquiry and there were now "serious questions to be answered".

"We want Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe to say with complete honesty [and] transparency: 'We are going to cooperate fully, we are going to give everything.'"

He added that while a judge-led inquiry would be able to order documents and witnesses, "you need to know those documents exist and those people exist who can answer questions".

"And what we want to ask Sir Bernard is, 'What do you have, have you given everything, or are you obfuscating as occurred during the Macpherson Inquiry?'"

The BBC's home editor Mark Easton said the latest revelations "mark a day of reckoning for Scotland Yard and potentially for trust in policing more generally".

'Vindicated'

On Thursday, Mr Lawrence told BBC Newsnight he had felt "devastated" by the revelations.


"To hear this being said on TV so the wider world could hear, I was vindicated.... if people had listened to us earlier on maybe things would have been different.

"From what happened with the Macpherson Inquiry, I'm very, very wary about what's going to happen now."

'Miscarriages of justice'

Stephen, a black teenager, was 18 when he was stabbed to death in an unprovoked attack by a gang of white youths in Eltham, south-east London, in April 1993.

However, it was not until 2012 that Gary Dobson and David Norris were found guilty of murdering him and sentenced to minimum terms of 15 years and two months and 14 years and three months respectively.

Mrs May said she had commissioned Mr Ellison, and the Crown Prosecution Service and attorney general, to conduct a further review into cases involving the SDS - a top secret Met police squad that was operational until 2006.

She said it was vital to establish whether there had been "miscarriages of justice" in relation to past criminal proceedings involving SDS officers.

Elsewhere, the Ellison review also found that the Met's own hard copy records of a broad investigation into possible corruption had been subject to a "mass shredding" in 2003.

The "chaotic state" of Met Police records meant a public inquiry might have "limited" potential to find out more information, it warned

Separately, two animal rights activists who were jailed for firebombing department stores in the 1980s, are to appeal their conviction due to the alleged involvement of an undercover officer in their case.

Andrew Clarke and Geoff Sheppard were convicted of planting incendiary devices at Debenhams stores in Romford and Luton.

In 2012, undercover officer Bob Lambert was identified as having allegedly planted a third bomb in Harrow - a claim he denies.

The convicted men's solicitor said they will attempt to have their convictions overturned on the back of the home secretary's announcement about the review to find whether there were miscarriages of justice as a result of undercover policing.
This is just one of many articles of course. It took 21 years before we got this far.

At the same time in The Netherlands witnesses, former policemen, testify under oath that about 15 years ago an investigation failed in a case where very highly placed members of the prosecution organisation were investigated for abusing teenage boys. At one point the house of a professor who is thought to be one of the organizers was searched but there were no computers, no video tapes and the place where the video recorder stood and its shape was clear from the lack of dust.

The first duty of parliaments is to protect its voters from unreasonable prosecution by the state. The supervision of the police that is necessary to this end is clearly failing in the UK, The Netherlands, Germany ( remember how long it took to identify neo-nazi terrorists, a case that was in the news last year ) and probably many other countries that say they are civilized.
 
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That would not have been a very good career move for Kim Jong. Blowing up a Chinese civilian airline, seeing as China is his only ally. Lucky for the people onborad it didn't happen.

Either this was a freak accident or I am inclined to believe the North Korean regime is crumbling from within and it shows through carelessness and/or incompetence with something like this.
 

Miragedriver

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Either this was a freak accident or I am inclined to believe the North Korean regime is crumbling from within and it shows through carelessness and/or incompetence with something like this.

Agreed. When individuals follow orders blindly without looking a couple of steps ahead, this is what can happen.
 

Miragedriver

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Senior North Korean official reappears, belies reports of another purge

Copied from Reuters news service
SEOUL (Reuters) - A senior North Korean official, believed to be the No. 2 in the country after leader Kim Jong Un, has reappeared in official television footage, belying reports he had fallen victim to a fresh purge in the isolated nation.
Choe Ryong Hae was pictured close to Kim in pictures taken in January and February, smiling but sporting a limp. He was seen enthusiastically taking notes on a visit by Kim to various sites and then appeared at a firing drill on a beach.
Choe is the influential head of the political wing of North Korea's military and appears to have risen to become the second most powerful person in the country after the execution of Jang Song Thaek, Kim's uncle, last year.
Speculation in recent weeks that Choe had also been purged triggered a wave of speculation that Kim was intent on shaking up North Korea's elite and that competing factions around the 31-year old leader were a destabilizing force in the North.
Choe's father was a partisan who fought alongside the young Kim's grandfather Kim Il Sung, the founder of North Korea.
In addition to the public title as the chief political operative for the North's 1.2-million-strong army, Choe holds a seat in the powerful standing committee of the ruling Workers' Party politburo shared only by Kim himself and two figurehead old guard members.
Choe is also one of the two vice chairmen of the ruling Workers' Party central military commission, a post that encompasses two of the most powerful institutions, the party and the military. He was made a vice marshal of the military this year.
In June, Choe was Kim's special envoy to meet President Xi Jinping of China, North Korea's only major ally. The meeting followed displeasure expressed by Beijing after North Korea launched a missile last year and conducted a third nuclear test.
There are frequent reports in South Korean and other media of the demise or fall from grace of top officials in North Korea, a closed nuclear- armed state.
"The Choe imprisonment rumor tells that it is hard to find out exactly what is happening inside North Korea.. and it is a problem to report information based on unreliable rumors from a source far away from Pyongyang," said Cheong Seong-chang, a North Korea expert at the Sejong Institute thinktank near Seoul.


He is either trying to surround himself with loyal people, or he has become so paranoid that he is trying to find phantoms where there are none.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Senior North Korean official reappears, belies reports of another purge

Copied from Reuters news service
SEOUL (Reuters) - A senior North Korean official, believed to be the No. 2 in the country after leader Kim Jong Un, has reappeared in official television footage, belying reports he had fallen victim to a fresh purge in the isolated nation.
Choe Ryong Hae was pictured close to Kim in pictures taken in January and February, smiling but sporting a limp. He was seen enthusiastically taking notes on a visit by Kim to various sites and then appeared at a firing drill on a beach.
Choe is the influential head of the political wing of North Korea's military and appears to have risen to become the second most powerful person in the country after the execution of Jang Song Thaek, Kim's uncle, last year.
Speculation in recent weeks that Choe had also been purged triggered a wave of speculation that Kim was intent on shaking up North Korea's elite and that competing factions around the 31-year old leader were a destabilizing force in the North.
Choe's father was a partisan who fought alongside the young Kim's grandfather Kim Il Sung, the founder of North Korea.
In addition to the public title as the chief political operative for the North's 1.2-million-strong army, Choe holds a seat in the powerful standing committee of the ruling Workers' Party politburo shared only by Kim himself and two figurehead old guard members.
Choe is also one of the two vice chairmen of the ruling Workers' Party central military commission, a post that encompasses two of the most powerful institutions, the party and the military. He was made a vice marshal of the military this year.
In June, Choe was Kim's special envoy to meet President Xi Jinping of China, North Korea's only major ally. The meeting followed displeasure expressed by Beijing after North Korea launched a missile last year and conducted a third nuclear test.
There are frequent reports in South Korean and other media of the demise or fall from grace of top officials in North Korea, a closed nuclear- armed state.
"The Choe imprisonment rumor tells that it is hard to find out exactly what is happening inside North Korea.. and it is a problem to report information based on unreliable rumors from a source far away from Pyongyang," said Cheong Seong-chang, a North Korea expert at the Sejong Institute thinktank near Seoul.


He is either trying to surround himself with loyal people, or he has become so paranoid that he is trying to find phantoms where there are none.

Here can be seen the Survivor himeslf
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Along with his Kimmi-ness.
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These ladies are apparently members of the North Korean Airforce. either that or invaders from planet X to be perfectly honest I am not sure if there is a difference
 
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Air Force Brat

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Here can be seen the Survivor himeslf
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Along with his Kimmi-ness.
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These ladies are apparently members of the North Korean Airforce. either that or invaders from planet X to be perfectly honest I am not sure if there is a difference

Pulling an Obama, hope he sleeps with one eye open, well sure he does, he's an evil dictator! oh Krap!
 

Equation

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You heard it fat boy (Kim Chung Un), don't make big brother (China) come crossing the Yalu River and give you a lesson.:p;)


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BEIJING (Reuters) - China declared a "red line" on North Korea on Saturday, saying that China will not permit chaos or war on the Korean peninsula, and that peace can only come through denuclearization.

"The Korean peninsula is right on China's doorstep. We have a red line, that is, we will not allow war or instability on the Korean peninsula," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters on the sidelines of China's annual largely rubber-stamp parliament.

Wang called upon all parties to "exercise restraint", adding that "genuine and lasting peace" on the peninsula was only possible with denuclearization.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry visited China last month and said after talks in Beijing that China and the United States were discussing specific ways to press North Korea to give up its nuclear program.

Western countries and independent experts have accused China of failing to implement properly U.N. sanctions on North Korea, including punitive measures adopted after Pyongyang's third nuclear test in February last year.

North Korea has forged ahead with its nuclear development after declaring the so-called six-party talks dead in 2008, overturning its commitments made under a 2005 disarmament deal aimed at rewarding it with economic incentives.

Wang reiterated China's calls for a resumption of the talks between North Korea, South Korea, the United States, Japan, Russia and host China.

"Confrontation can only bring tension, and war can only cause disaster," Wang said. "Some dialogue is better than none, and better early than later."

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay urged world powers last month to refer North Korea to the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court following a U.N. report documenting crimes against humanity comparable to Nazi-era atrocities.

China has rejected what it said was "unreasonable criticism" of Beijing in the U.N. report, but has not said directly whether it would veto any proceedings in the Security Council to bring Pyongyang to book.

The team also recommended targeted U.N. sanctions against civil officials and military commanders suspected of the worst crimes. North Korea is already subject to U.N. sanctions for refusing to give up its atomic bomb program.
 

SteelBird

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You heard it fat boy (Kim Chung Un), don't make big brother (China) come crossing the Yalu River and give you a lesson.:p;)


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I always see photos of Kim Chung Un with a group of over excited ladies surrounding him, and look like everyone walking around him has a notebook. Do they have to write down every word of Kim? NK is the world of one person!
 

bluewater2012

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There have been a lot of conflicting reports on when the plane lost contact (I've read anywhere between 40min to 2hrs after take off), the amount of fuel it had, and whether or not they have been in contact with Vietnam ATC. It's better to wait a day or so for the situation to clear up because it seems that even the airline doesn't know what's going on exactly. It is very concerning that such a reliable plane flown by such experience pilots operated by an airline with very good safety records have simply disappeared.

Yes, I also spotted a lot of conflicting reports with the flight time and the national of passengers onboard. This can't be any worse timing for China especially it is exactly just 1 week after the train station massacre terrorist attacks.
 
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