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Franklin

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I don't know how long the party can last for China. Last month there were more than a 1000 people killed in violence and the month before that more than 800. It seems like that Iraq is sliding back into civil war.

China Is Reaping Biggest Benefits of Iraq Oil Boom

Since the American-led invasion of 2003, Iraq has become one of the world’s top oil producers, and China is now its biggest customer.

China already buys nearly half the oil that Iraq produces, nearly 1.5 million barrels a day, and is angling for an even bigger share, bidding for a stake now owned by Exxon Mobil in one of Iraq’s largest oil fields.

“The Chinese are the biggest beneficiary of this post-Saddam oil boom in Iraq,” said Denise Natali, a Middle East expert at the National Defense University in Washington. “They need energy, and they want to get into the market.”

Before the invasion, Iraq’s oil industry was sputtering, largely walled off from world markets by international sanctions against the government of Saddam Hussein, so his overthrow always carried the promise of renewed access to the country’s immense reserves. Chinese state-owned companies seized the opportunity, pouring more than $2 billion a year and hundreds of workers into Iraq, and just as important, showing a willingness to play by the new Iraqi government’s rules and to accept lower profits to win contracts.

“We lost out,” said Michael Makovsky, a former Defense Department official in the Bush administration who worked on Iraq oil policy. “The Chinese had nothing to do with the war, but from an economic standpoint they are benefiting from it, and our Fifth Fleet and air forces are helping to assure their supply.”

The depth of China’s commitment here is evident in details large and small.

In the desert near the Iranian border, China recently built its own airport to ferry workers to Iraq’s southern oil fields, and there are plans to begin direct flights from Beijing and Shanghai to Baghdad soon. In fancy hotels in the port city of Basra, Chinese executives impress their hosts not just by speaking Arabic, but Iraqi-accented Arabic.

Notably, what the Chinese are not doing is complaining. Unlike the executives of Western oil giants like Exxon Mobil, the Chinese happily accept the strict terms of Iraq’s oil contracts, which yield only minimal profits. China is more interested in energy to fuel its economy than profits to enrich its oil giants.

Chinese companies do not have to answer to shareholders, pay dividends or even generate profits. They are tools of Beijing’s foreign policy of securing a supply of energy for its increasingly prosperous and energy hungry population. “We don’t have any problems with them,” said Abdul Mahdi al-Meedi, an Iraqi Oil Ministry official who handles contracts with foreign oil companies. “They are very cooperative. There’s a big difference, the Chinese companies are state companies, while Exxon or BP or Shell are different.”

China is now making aggressive moves to expand its role, as Iraq is increasingly at odds with oil companies that have cut separate deals with Iraq’s semiautonomous Kurdish region. The Kurds offer more generous terms than the central government, but Iraq and the United States consider such deals illegal.

Late last year, the China National Petroleum Corporation bid for a 60 percent stake in the lucrative West Qurna I oil field, a stake that Exxon Mobil may be forced to divest because of its oil interests in Iraqi Kurdistan. Exxon Mobil, however, has so far resisted pressure to sell, and in March the Chinese company said it would be interested in forming a partnership with the American company for the oil field.

If the United States invasion and occupation of Iraq ended up benefiting China, American energy experts say the unforeseen turn of events is not necessarily bad for United States interests. The increased Iraqi production, much of it pumped by Chinese workers, has also shielded the world economy from a spike in oil prices resulting from Western sanctions on Iranian oil exports. And with the boom in American domestic oil production in new shale fields surpassing all expectations over the last four years, dependence on Middle Eastern oil has declined, making access to the Iraqi fields less vital for the United States.

At the same time, China’s interest in Iraq could also help stabilize the country as it faces a growing sectarian conflict.

“Our interest is the oil gets produced and Iraq makes money, so this is a big plus,” said David Goldwyn, who was the State Department coordinator for international energy affairs in the first Obama administration. “Geopolitically it develops close links between China and Iraq, although China did not get into it for the politics. Now that they are there, they have a great stake in assuring the continuity of the regime that facilitates their investment.”

For China, Iraq is one of several countries it increasingly relies on to keep its growing economy running. China recently became the world’s biggest oil importer, and with its consumption growing, it is investing heavily in oil and gas fields around the world — $12 billion worth in 2011, according to the United States Energy Department. Over 50 percent of its oil imports come from the Middle East, even as imports from Iran have been reduced in recent years. “It’s pretty simple,” said Kevin Jianjun Tu, an expert on Chinese energy policies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “China needs more energy and needs to diversify its sources.”

The Iraqi government needs the investment, and oil remains at the heart of its political and economic future. Currently OPEC’s second largest oil producer after Saudi Arabia, the Iraqi government depends on oil revenues to finance its military and social programs. Iraq estimates that its oil fields, pipelines and refineries need $30 billion in annual investments to reach production targets that will make it one of the world’s premier energy powers for decades to come.

The revenue that investment would produce could either help pave over tensions between Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis, or worsen those tensions as competing camps fight over the spoils.

But the kind of investment that is necessary has required contracting the services of foreign oil companies that are not always enthusiastic about Iraq’s nationalistic, tightfisted terms or the unstable security situation that can put employees in danger. Some like Statoil of Norway have left or curtailed their operations.

But the Chinese, frequently as partners with other European companies like BP and Turkish Petroleum, have filled the vacuum. And they have been happy to focus on oil without interfering in other local issues. “The Chinese are very simple people,” said an Iraqi Oil Ministry official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not have permission to speak to the news media. “They are practical people. They don’t have anything to do with politics or religion. They just work and eat and sleep.”

International energy experts said the Chinese had a competitive advantage over Western oil companies working in Iraq. They noted that the Chinese, unlike many Western oil companies, are willing to accept service contracts at a very low per barrel oil fee without the promise of rights to future reserves. While private oil companies need to list oil reserves on their books to satisfy investors demanding growth, the Chinese do not have to answer to shareholders.

The Chinese companies and their workers also win high marks for their technical expertise, as long as they are not working in complicated oil fields, like those in deep waters. “They offer a lot of capital and a willingness to get in quickly and with a high appetite for risk,” said Badhr Jafar, president of Crescent Petroleum, an independent oil and gas company based in the United Arab Emirates and a big gas producer in Iraq. He said the Chinese were vital to Iraq’s efforts to expand oil production, adding, “They don’t have to go through hoops to get people on the ground and working.”

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plawolf

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I don't know how long the party can last for China. Last month there were more than a 1000 people killed in violence and the month before that more than 800. It seems like that Iraq is sliding back into civil war.

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From the tone of the article and of Makovsky in particular, you clearly see what the Americans thought invading Iraq would get them - oil. You cannot help but read the subtext - China didn't help invade, yet they are getting the oil deals, boo hoo! Those oil contracts should belong to America and her buddies as spoils of war!

I mean, what is the point in bring up the war and China not taking part other than to suggest that America should somehow have been rewarded with Iraq's oil because they invaded?
 

bd popeye

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Well now ..we can't believe everything we read. I know I don't.

not exactly "breaking" news but it is about oil production.

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LONDON (CNNMoney)
Booming North American oil production is reshaping world markets and will help satisfy the growing thirst for oil in the developing world, according to the International Energy Agency.

"North America has set off a supply shock that is sending ripples throughout the world," said IEA executive director Maria van der Hoeven. "This is helping to ease a market that was relatively tight for several years."

Growing North American production will help the U.S. begin to meet its own energy demands, leading it to cut back on imports that will instead start flowing to emerging markets.

In its latest report, the Paris-based IEA forecasts that North America's oil supply will grow by nearly 4 million barrels per day between 2012 to 2018, amounting to nearly 50% of global output growth over that period.

"The shock waves of rising U.S. shale gas, light tight oil and Canadian oil sands production are reaching virtually all recesses of the global oil market," stated the IEA report.

The U.S. is experiencing an oil boom, in large part thanks to high world prices and new technologies, including hydraulic fracking, that have made the extraction of oil and gas from shale rock commercially viable.

The new supply surge comes as developing nations are set to consume more oil than developed countries for the first time.

The IEA says the shift will be seen this quarter, with demand from developing countries hitting 54% of the global total by 2018, up from 49% in 2012.

The country leading this move is China, the world's second largest consumer after the U.S., which has been guzzling oil at an ever faster rate. The report forecasts that Chinese demand for oil will rise by 25% between 2012 to 2018, while U.S. demand will steadily decline.

But developing countries and emerging markets will not simply be passive consumers. The IEA says these nations are investing heavily in oil storage, transportation and refining.

"In the next five years, virtually all net crude distillation capacity growth is forecast to take place in the emerging market and developing economies," states the report.

The IEA also expects the African continent will present suppliers with "a new demand frontier."

"There is growing evidence that African demand has been underestimated and is set to grow relatively steeply, albeit from a low base, in the next few years," it stated.

Previously, the IEA projected that the U.S. will overtake Saudi Arabia to become the world's biggest oil producer before 2020, and will be energy independent by 2030. To top of page

If the Federal government of the US ever allows more off shore and Alaska oil exploration and production we will be paying $2 bucks a gallon for gas in the US.. Well I can dream can't I?
 

Franklin

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Well now ..we can't believe everything we read. I know I don't.

not exactly "breaking" news but it is about oil production.

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If the Federal government of the US ever allows more off shore and Alaska oil exploration and production we will be paying $2 bucks a gallon for gas in the US.. Well I can dream can't I?

I have read a lot about how America will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's largest oil producer. Personally i'm a bit skeptical about this. Saudi Arabia has 265 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves and Venezuela has 297 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves. The US like China has about 20,5 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves each. Under current production rate the US proven crude oil reserves will begin to tapper off in the 2017 to 2020 period.

But in addition to the 20,5 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves the US has a additional 2 trillion barrels of "shale oil" reserves. Shale oil is not like crude oil. Shale oil is not like the black sludge of crude oil but looks more like rocks. So these shale oil needs to be processed before use. And if we make the comparison between shale oil production with crude oil production you will see that shale oil production is many times more capital intensive than crude oil production.

Inorder to produce crude oil you need to drill about 3000 to 5000m deep and the oil well will produce anywhere between 800 to 1000 barrels per day and depending on the size of the oil fields it can last anywhere from 10 to 40 years. And the oil can be sold directly to the market.

Inorder to produce shale oil you need to drill 10000m deep and the wells only produce about 80 to 90 barrels a day and a average shale oil well last about 18 to 24 months. This shale oil first needs to be processed (mainly by heating) before use.

In theory the US with its vast shale oil reserves can out produce saudi Arabia but rather that will actually happen is another question.
 

Jeff Head

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In theory the US with its vast shale oil reserves can out produce saudi Arabia but rather that will actually happen is another question.
It's already happening.

With the US massive reserves of shale oil, and with the technology to extract it, it is already beginning.

According to a RAND Corp. survey, the cost of producing shale oil at a hypothetical surface retorting complex in the United States would be about $70–95 per barrel. That's adjusted to 2005 values. Assuming a gradual increase in output, the RAND analysis projects a gradual reduction in processing costs to $30–40 per barrel. The US Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that ex-situ processing would be viable at sustained world oil prices that average $54 per barrel and that in-situ processing would be viable at prices above $35 per barrel. In fact, Royal dutch Oil announced in 2006 that its Shell ICP technology in the US would realize a profit with prices in excess of $30 per barrel, The prices currently exceed all of these estimates, and work has already begun preparing for it.

In addition, with the new fracking and drilling techniques that were not available in the 1960s-1970s, the US is developing and extracting oil from older fields where they could not get to it before. That is what is behind the boom in places like the Dakotahs right now on private land. On top of that, there are huge tracts of oil that we know of, but have not been allowed to quatitatively prove yet off the coasts and in Alaska because of the Federal Government prohibition.

All of these things combined are what are driving the discussion that popeye was alluding to, and pointting to with his link.
 

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Great way to kill Apple sales. Speculation as news. I posted earlier in this thread how an Onion-like story was placed among real news... I wonder if this story catches fire in China and Apple sales plummet, who are they going to blame?
 
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Great way to kill Apple sales. Speculation as news. I posted earlier in this thread how an Onion-like story was placed among real news... I wonder if this story catches fire in China and Apple sales plummet, who are they going to blame?

The Chinese leadership its op-eds in peoples daily pretty well make it clear that this story is going to be gobbled up. Even if its proven false. Apple has reached the same point microsoft did at its hight when everyone targeted it for a carving up.
The recent samsung case, labor issues in the PRC and the Congressional hearing on its taxes. Apple will survive no doubt but to do it they may have to change part of how they do things. Also I suspect in a few days new photos of that phone will show up with it wearing a Chinese maker logo.
 

AssassinsMace

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Well it's not going to be proven true or false because like I said speculation is being made to be news. If Apple takes a hit, it's the fault of the news media where they can just speculate catering to people who want to believe the US is hacking into the wife of the leader of China's phone. People can't gloat about doing it then cry foul when it affects sales.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The press has freedom to say what they want despite what Eric Holder thinks. Speculating and opeds are standard fair. Really though this just reminds of of the reports of Chinese made devices allowing access to Chinese intelligence.

Now really guys I have to ask whats with the war on The Onion? This is the second time I have encountered anti Onion sentiment I mean have you ever read it? I do regularly. They are not even a tabloid. I mean right now (I just checked. ) they are headlining Paula Deen adding a line of butter made from her own breast milk to her product line. Totally and completely senseless they once ran a story about Congress all of the US Congress being arrested at once. Stories like this and the other one frankly are to realistic to be in the Onion. I also read the Military version The Duffel Blog who ran a story about a grizzly bear joining the US navy.
 

AssassinsMace

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And you can yell fire in a theater... What this journalist didn't think about is what possible impact his speculating does in real life. Apple's China market is very important to them. If sales gets hit that's the fault of the writer and no one else. It's called being irresponsible.

I didn't say the other story I mentioned was another Onion story. I said it was Onion-like. That story said actress Sharon Stone was responsible for the million dollar jewel theft over at the Cannes film festival. This headline was among Yahoo news. The story came from Variety. It's a Hollywood industry media source who reports on the news in Hollywood. What people don't know is Variety is going through hard times. They opened a new section where they report Onion-like news in order to get more readers. Not a lot people know that. That's dangerous to mix false news with real news. You can't commit libel or defame someone and call it free speech so it makes it okay.

Late last year the entertainment news media was gloating that Hollywood movies reigned at the Chinese box office and that Chinese couldn't make movies that Chinese wanted to watch. Like turning on a dime now one after the other inexpensive Chinese domestic movies that can cost only $4 million to make have made $100-$200 million in the Chinese box office putting their expensive Hollywood counterparts to shame. Hollywood now thinks a crime has been committed. So somehow they want someone punished because they're not on top anymore. Maybe the Hollywood entertainment media shouldn't have been gloating because the Chinese movie-goer must've heard the news. Just like the Western media can report anything they want, the Chinese movie-going audience has the right to watch any movie of their choice.
 
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