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TerraN_EmpirE

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Speaking of Shame in England.
London attackers known to British security services

2:02pm EDT
By Guy Faulconbridge and Michael Holden
LONDON (Reuters) - Two British men of Nigerian descent accused of hacking a soldier to death on a London street in revenge for wars in Muslim countries were known to security services, a source close to the investigation said Thursday.
One man, filmed calmly justifying the killing as he stood by the body holding a knife and meat cleaver in bloodied hands, was named by acquaintances as 28-year-old Londoner Michael Adebolajo - a British-born convert to radical Islam.
So frenzied was the attack, some witnesses thought they were trying to behead and disembowel the victim.
The attack, just a month after the Boston Marathon bombing and the first Islamist killing in Britain since local suicide bombers killed 52 people in London in 2005, revived fears of "lone wolves" who may have had no direct contact with al Qaeda.
British media said police raided homes of relatives in the city and near the town of Lincoln. Adebolajo and the other man, who may have been born abroad and later naturalized as British, are both in custody in hospitals after being shot by police.
Prime Minister David Cameron held an emergency meeting of his intelligence chiefs to assess the response to what he called a "terrorist" attack; it was the first deadly strike in mainland Britain since local Islamists killed dozens in London in 2005.
"We will never give in to terror or terrorism in any of its forms," Cameron said outside his Downing Street office.
"This was not just an attack on Britain and on the British way of life, it was also a betrayal of Islam and of the Muslim communities who give so much to our country. There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."
He said there would be a review of how intelligence had been handled - Adebolajo had been known to authorities for handing out radical Islamist pamphlets in Woolwich.
The two men had been considered to pose no serious danger to the public until the attack, according to a government source.
Another source close to the inquiry said the local backgrounds of the suspects in a multicultural metropolis - nearly 40 percent of Londoners were born abroad - and the simplicity of the attack made prevention difficult:
"Apart from being horribly barbaric, this was relatively straightforward to carry out," the source said. "This was quite low-tech and that is frankly pretty challenging."
Anjem Choudary, one of Britain's most recognized Islamist clerics, told Reuters Adebolajo, was known to fellow Muslims as Mujahid - a name meaning "warrior": "He used to attend a few demonstrations and activities that we used to have in the past."
He added that he had not seen him for about two years: "When I knew him he was very pleasant man," Choudary said. "He was peaceful, unassuming and I don't think there's any reason to think he would do anything violent."
A man called Paul Leech said on Twitter he had been at school in the east London suburb of Romford with the man seen claiming the attack: "Michael Adebolajo u make me sick," he wrote. "How could someone who was a laugh and nice bloke at school turn out like that. I'm ashamed to have known u."
DAYLIGHT ATTACK
The two men used a car to run down 25-year-old Afghan war veteran Drummer Lee Rigby outside Woolwich Barracks in southeast London and then attacked him with a meat cleaver and knives, witnesses said. The pair then told shocked bystanders they acted in revenge for British wars in Muslim countries.
Rigby, who had a two-year-old son, was not in uniform. The bandsman had been working as an army recruiter in London
A dramatic clip filmed by an onlooker showed one of the men, identified as Adebolajo, his hands covered in blood and speaking in a local accent apologizing for taking his action in front of women but justifying it on religious grounds:
"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day," he said. "This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
The attack revived fears of "lone wolves". These may have had no direct contact with al Qaeda but are inspired by radical preachers and by Islamist militant Web sites, some of which urge people to attack Western targets with whatever means they have.
Images of the blood-soaked suspect - who urged Britons to overthrow their government or risk having their children face the fate of the dead soldier lying just yards away - were splashed across the front pages of newspapers; so too were links to his clearly spoken, matter-of-fact video statement, made as the pair chatted calmly to bystanders before police arrived.
"We have all seen images that are deeply shocking," Cameron told reporters before visiting the barracks in Woolwich. "The people who did this were trying to divide us."
In Nigeria, with a mixed Christian-Muslim population and where the authorities are battling an Islamist insurgency, a government source said there was no evidence the Woolwich suspects were linked to groups in west Africa.
British investigators are looking at information that at least one of the suspects may have had an interest in joining Somalia-based Islamist al Shabaab rebel group which is allied to al Qaeda, a source with knowledge of the matter said.
Al Shabaab said on Thursday that such attacks were inevitable and linked the attack to the Boston bombing and last year's gun attacks in the southern French city of Toulouse.
"Toulouse, Boston, Woolwich ... Where next? You just have to grin and bear it, it's inevitable. A case of the chickens coming home to roost!" the rebels said on Twitter.
IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN
The grisly attack took place next to the sprawling Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, a south London working class district which has long-standing historic links to the military and is home to many immigrant communities, including Nigerians.
Rigby, who served in Afghanistan in 2009, was wearing a T-shirt reading "Help for Heroes", the name of a charity formed to help wounded British veterans. Britain has had troops deployed in Afghanistan since 2001 and had troops in Iraq from 2003-2009.
Witnesses said they shouted "Allahu akbar" - Arabic for God is greatest - while stabbing the victim and trying to behead him. A handgun was found at the scene.
Some onlookers rushed to help the soldier an one woman to engaged the attackers in conversation to calm them down.
"He had what looked like butcher's tools — a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives. He said: 'Move off the body,'" said French-born former teacher Ingrid Loyau-Kennett.
"He said: 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan.'"
A trained first aider and Cub Scout leader, Loyau-Kennett was on a bus which was held up by the incident and she got off to try to help the victim. She found he was already dead.
Her attitude and that of other passers-by who remonstrated with the attackers was held up by Cameron as an example of resistance to attempts to terrorize the population:
"When told by the attacker that he wanted to start a war in London," Cameron said, "She replied, 'You're going to lose. It's only you versus many.' She spoke for us all."
'HELP FOR HEROES'
London was last hit by a serious militant attack on July 7, 2005, when four young British Islamists set off suicide bombs on underground trains and a bus, killing 52 people and wounding hundreds. A similar attack two weeks later was thwarted.
In 2007, two days after police defused two car bombs outside London nightclubs, two men suspected of involvement, a British-born doctor of Iraqi descent and an Indian-born engineer, rammed a car laden with gas into the Glasgow Airport terminal, setting it ablaze. One of the attackers died and the other was jailed.
Britain has long known political violence on the streets. In 2009, two British soldiers were shot dead outside a barracks in Northern Ireland in an attack claimed by Irish republicans.
Woolwich, too, has seen attacks before. A soldier and a civilian were killed by an IRA bomb at a local pub in 1974. The barracks itself was bombed in 1983, wounding five people.
Since the 2005 bombings, known as 7/7, security chiefs say they have faced at least one plan to carry out an attack on the level of those attacks and have warned that radicalized individuals posed a grave risk to national security.
Peter Clarke, who led the investigation into the 7/7 bombings, said that if the Woolwich attackers did turn out to be acting alone, it showed the difficulty the security services faced in trying to stop them.
"An attack like this doesn't need sophisticated fund raising and sophisticated communications or planning," he told Reuters. "It can be organized and then actually delivered in a moment."
The bombing attacks on the Boston Marathon last month, which U.S. authorities blame on two brothers, have raised the profile of the "lone wolf" threat in the West. A Frenchman with Algerian origins killed three off-duty French soldiers and four Jewish civilians on a rampage in southern France last year.
Britain's involvement in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in the past decade has often stirred anger among British Muslims and occasionally made soldiers a target at home. British police have foiled at least two plots in which Islamist suspects were accused of planning to kill soldiers, including by beheading.
Cameron's office officials had welcomed the condemnation from most mainstream British Muslim groups and that the national security committee had discussed community cohesion.
In signs of a backlash after the attack, more than 100 angry supporters of the English Defense League, a far-right street protest group, took to the streets late on Wednesday.
Separately, two men were arrested in connection with separate attacks on mosques outside London. No one was hurt.
(Additional reporting by Kate Holton, Andrew Osborn, Costas Pitas, Estelle Shirbon, Peter Griffiths, Mark Hosenball and Mark Anderson; Writing by Guy Faulconbridge and Maria Golovnina; Editing by Peter Graff and Alastair Macdonald)
 

no_name

Colonel
The immediate causes are different, but the geographical spread of the rioting in both countries suggests a connection, the wide spread unemployment especially among young people

Well, rioting is not going to help them get a job, especially if they got arrested and it goes on police records.
 

MwRYum

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Well, rioting is not going to help them get a job, especially if they got arrested and it goes on police records.

They riot not to get a job or whatever, besides as long as the situation that getting a paid job yield less then they get on benefit and soup kitchen, there's just no incentive to get a job.
 

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The Interstate 5 bridge collapse into the Skagit River was caused by an oversize truck hitting the span, the Washington State Patrol chief said.

"For reasons unknown at this point in time the semi struck the overhead of the bridge causing the collapse," Batiste told an overnight news conference.

The truck made it off the bridge and the driver remained at the scene and cooperated with investigators.

Two other vehicles went into the water Thursday evening as the structure crumbled. Three people were rescued and are recovering.

Drivers should expect delays at the break in the major north-south highway about 60 miles north of Seattle. Detours have been set up to try to ease the congestion.

Batiste urged drivers to avoid the area if possible, especially over the Memorial Day weekend.

Dan Sligh and his wife were in their pickup truck on Interstate 5 heading to a camping trip when a bridge before them disappeared in a "big puff of dust."

"I hit the brakes and we went off," Sligh told reporters from a hospital, adding he "saw the water approaching ... you hold on as tight as you can."

Sligh, his wife and another man in a different vehicle were dumped into the chilly waters of the Skagit River. They were injured, but miraculously, authorities said it appeared nobody was killed in the bridge failure that raised the question about the safety of aging spans and cut off the main route between Seattle and Canada.

"We don't think anyone else went into the water," said Marcus Deyerin, a spokesman for the Northwest Washington Incident Management Team. "At this point we're optimistic."

Sligh and his wife were taken to Skagit Valley Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. The other man was reported in stable condition at United General Hospital in Sedro-Woolley, hospital CEO Greg Reed said.

Sligh said his shoulder was dislocated in the drop into the water, and he found himself "belly deep in water in the truck." He said he popped his shoulder back in and called out to his wife, who he described as being in shock initially as they waited for rescuers to arrive in boats.

Traffic along the heavily travelled route could be affected for some time.

"The I-5 corridor is totally disrupted," said Gov. Jay Inslee, who went to the scene Thursday night.

"Thanks to the rescuers and a little bit of luck, we had three Skagitonians who made it out of the Skagit River alive," Inslee said.

The bridge was inspected twice last year and repairs were made, Transportation Secretary Lynn Peterson said.

"It's an older bridge that needs a lot of work just like a good number of bridges around the state," she said.

Transportation officials are working on plans for either a temporary or permanent replacement, she said.

The National Transportation Safety Board was sending an investigative team.

Trooper Francis said the portion of the four-lane bridge over the Skagit River collapsed about 7 p.m. Thursday.

Jeremiah Thomas, a volunteer firefighter, said he was driving nearby when he glimpsed something out of the corner of his eye and turned to look.

"The bridge just went down, it crashed through the water," he said. "It was really surreal."

The bridge was about 50 feet above the water. Deyerin said it appeared that two vehicles -- a car and the pickup with the travel trailer attached -- fell into the river. He said the water depth was about 15 feet, and the vehicles half-visible in the water likely were resting on portions of the collapsed bridge.

Crowds of people lined the river to watch the scene unfold.

"It's not something you see every day," said Jimmy O'Connor, the owner of two local pizza restaurants who was driving on another bridge parallel to the one that collapsed. "People were starting to crawl out of their cars."

He said he and his girlfriend were about 400 yards away on the Burlington Bridge when they heard "just a loud bang."

"Then we looked over and saw the bridge was down in the water," he said.

He pulled over and saw three vehicles in the water, including the camping trailer that landed upside-down, he said.

The bridge was not classified as structurally deficient, but a Federal Highway Administration database listed it as being "functionally obsolete" -- a category meaning that the design is outdated, such as having narrow shoulders and low clearance underneath.

The bridge was built in 1955 and has a sufficiency rating of 57.4 out of 100, according to federal records. That is well below the statewide average rating of 80, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal data, but 759 bridges in the state have a lower sufficiency score.

According to a 2012 Skagit County Public Works Department report, 42 of the county's 108 bridges are 50 years or older. The document says eight of the bridges are more than 70 years old and two are over 80.

Washington state was given a C in the American Society of Civil Engineers' 2013 infrastructure report card and a C- when it came to the state's bridges. The group said more than a quarter of Washington's 7,840 bridges are considered structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.

Democratic Rep. Judy Clibborn, who leads the transportation committee in the state House, said the bridge wasn't one that has been a focus for lawmakers.

"It is shocking that I-5 would have something happen like this," she said.

Clibborn said the collapse will call attention to the issues facing bridges -- especially the old bridge over the Columbia River that connects Vancouver and Portland, Ore.

Sligh said his wife was "doing OK" and that he had "lots of cuts."

"You're kind of pinching yourself and realize you're lucky to be alive."

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Equation

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Well, rioting is not going to help them get a job, especially if they got arrested and it goes on police records.

It depends on the law, if they can get it erased by doing community services or the likes. I don't know how the laws works over there, but yeah it's true having a criminal record does hinders one for getting a well paying jobs unfortunately.
 

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Maoist Attack Kills Dozens in India
By GARDINER HARRIS and HARI KUMAR
NEW DELHI — Hundreds of Maoist guerrillas ambushed a convoy of top state political leaders in the Indian state of Chhattisgarh on Saturday and killed at least 27 people, including three leaders of the nationally dominant Indian National Congress Party.

The attackers blocked the road by felling trees, forcing the convoy of vehicles to a halt, according to the Press Trust of India news agency. The guerrillas set off a land mine that blew up one of the stopped vehicles, and then they opened fire on those remaining. Officials estimated that 200 to 300 guerrillas were involved.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh condemned the attack “as a dastardly and anti-democratic act,” and the Congress Party president, Sonia Gandhi, said the ambush was “an attack on democratic values.”

“We are shocked, astounded and pained by the attack on our colleagues in Chhattisgarh,” Mrs. Gandhi said.

Rahul Gandhi, Mrs. Gandhi’s son and the Congress Party vice president, left for Chhattisgarh early Sunday, and the prime minister and Mrs. Gandhi were expected to follow him there later in the day.

Nand Kumar Patel, president of the state branch of the Congress Party, his newly married son, and Mahendra Karma, a senior member of the party, were all killed in the attack, said Mukesh Gupta, a top state police official.

The victims were headed to Jagdalpur from Sukma. The attack was in a heavily forested area between two valleys sometime between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m., Mr. Gupta said.

Both party leaders had personal police bodyguards, many of whom died in the attack. Mr. Karma was even afforded a bulletproof vehicle, although he was not riding in the vehicle at the time, Mr. Gupta said. Similarly, Mr. Patel always had a heavy police presence around him.

Mr. Karma had long been a target of Maoist anger because of his association with Salwa Judum, a local militia he founded to combat the guerrillas but that was accused of atrocities against the local tribal population. Such tribal groups are among the most marginalized citizens in Indian society and constitute the backbone of the Maoist insurgency that has kindled across the eastern middle of the country.

The attack was one of the most audacious recent strikes by guerrillas. The number of attacks and the deaths associated with them surged in 2009 and 2010 but had waned in the past two years, with some hoping that the central government’s growing welfare outreach — including food and jobs programs — had cut support for the insurgents.

Indeed, India’s governing coalition touted last week the decline in Maoist attacks and deaths as one of its signature achievements.

The Maoists confiscated the weapons of the dead police officers and then fled, Mr. Gupta said. The wounded were taken to area hospitals. Troops have begun to comb the area for the guerrillas, Mr. Gupta said.

The prime minister called the Chhattisgarh chief minister Saturday night to ask whether he needed additional forces. As the two men are members of opposing parties, the state and national response to the attack is a delicate political dance. State leaders have gained considerable power in recent years at the expense of the central government. But security is one of the few areas in which the central government has become less deferential, promising to send in the army at the first sign of serious unrest or rioting.
 

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Text book ambush. Felled a bunch of trees to stop the front of the convoy, set off a mine near its end, destroying a trailing vehicle and trapping all of the other vehicles in the kill zone.

Sounds like they silenced the resistance of the body guards and then came in and took the weapons. I imagibe they killed quite a few of their "targets" at that point, although some may have perished in the fire fight.

Also, my guess is that what was reported as 200-300 by the people on the receiving end of this ambush, was probably considerably less. Those experiencing such an attack and defeat always feel that there were many more because of the volume of sustained fire and the surprise and loss of life on their side. I would guess that it was perhaps 100-150.

Either way, the Indian government better consider using attack helicopters to escort such convoy in that area in the future so they can, from the air, scour the path of the convoy to see of any ambushers can be found...and then be there for support if needed.
 

leibowitz

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Text book ambush. Felled a bunch of trees to stop the front of the convoy, set off a mine near its end, destroying a trailing vehicle and trapping all of the other vehicles in the kill zone.

Sounds like they silenced the resistance of the body guards and then came in and took the weapons. I imagibe they killed quite a few of their "targets" at that point, although some may have perished in the fire fight.

Also, my guess is that what was reported as 200-300 by the people on the receiving end of this ambush, was probably considerably less. Those experiencing such an attack and defeat always feel that there were many more because of the volume of sustained fire and the surprise and loss of life on their side. I would guess that it was perhaps 100-150.

Either way, the Indian government better consider using attack helicopters to escort such convoy in that area in the future so they can, from the air, scour the path of the convoy to see of any ambushers can be found...and then be there for support if needed.

The bigger question is how did the Naxalites - a bunch of poorly educated tribals - get real-time, actionable intel on the movements of a senior opposition political figure (Congress is the minority in Chattisgarh state) supposedly under the protection of "class Z+" security (the highest protection level the Indian Home Ministry affords VIPs?)

Smells like an inside job to me. The ghost of Aldo Moro is calling from the grave...
 

plawolf

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Text book ambush. Felled a bunch of trees to stop the front of the convoy, set off a mine near its end, destroying a trailing vehicle and trapping all of the other vehicles in the kill zone.

Sounds like they silenced the resistance of the body guards and then came in and took the weapons. I imagibe they killed quite a few of their "targets" at that point, although some may have perished in the fire fight.

Also, my guess is that what was reported as 200-300 by the people on the receiving end of this ambush, was probably considerably less. Those experiencing such an attack and defeat always feel that there were many more because of the volume of sustained fire and the surprise and loss of life on their side. I would guess that it was perhaps 100-150.

Either way, the Indian government better consider using attack helicopters to escort such convoy in that area in the future so they can, from the air, scour the path of the convoy to see of any ambushers can be found...and then be there for support if needed.

Agreed with everything except the attack helicopters. Such a move would tied up most, if not all, of India's small fleet of Hind attack helicopter fleet, and it still might not be enough as the rebels can pick and choose which ambushes to spring and when, so if a convoy is too heavily defended, they can, and will just let them pass and attack the next one.

Besides, I'm not convinced how effective attack helicopters would even be in such dense jungle areas where even thermal imaging might not be able to see through the canopy cover. In addition, attack helicopters like the Hind are big targets, and would be made more vulnerable by having to fly low and slow to escort a convoy. If the rebels had heavy weapons or RPGs, it would not be out of the realm of possibility for them to pick off the attack helo first as the first act of any ambush.

India would be better off just using those Hinds to transport high value targets in high risk areas.

The best and only way to deal with organised guerrillas like these is to target their support base with aid and welfare to eliminate their local support. Much like what India has done of late, and this latest attack's boldness may be a signed of the rebel's desperation rather than a show of strength. The Moaists likely want to provoke a heavyhanded official response which will further alienate and marginalise locals and bolster their own support.

The other thing to do with guerrillas is to go after them where they live and root them out of their home turf. If the Indian military is to be deployed, it is special forces rather than attack helicopters that will make the most difference.

Rather than comb the area with poorly trained and equipped police or conscripts the rebels can see coming a mile off and who may become easy targets themselves, send in SF recon teams to find the camps, bases and weapons stashes of the rebels. These SF squads could then either destroy hidden weapons caches and pick off small groups of rebels, or call in reinforcements to take out larger formations.

You have to take the fight to the rebels rather than allow them to pick and choose when and where to fight.

I dare say many of these Maoist rebels may suddenly reconsider their career path if fighting actually means being in a real war, where they are taking heavy losses and don't feel safe anywhere rather than springing the odd ambush on hopelessly outnumbered and outmatched convoys and being able to retreat back to safe havens and not really have to worry about being attacked or ambushed in their own lares. And the government need the willpower to see the job through irrespective of how long it might take or how the occasional high peofile government loss.

Couple the higher military risks and losses with improvements in the local economy creating new jobs and opportunities and most of the rebel foot soldiers will simply melt away back into civilian life. The hard core and leaders left would be forced to negotiate, or find life getting progressively harder. If they try yo press gang unwilling villagers to help them, the co,bat efficiency of those men would be much lower, and they would be liable to turn tail at the first opportunity. On top of that, any such thuggish behaviour would set the locals against the rebels, and if they start informing, the days of the rebels would be numbered.

So, to sum up, you need an aggressive, offensive counter insurgency military operation coupled with big drives to boost the local economy and politically addressing any legitimate grievances the rebels might be campioning for local people.

Do all that and the rebels will either melt away or come to the negotiating table themselves.
 
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