why doesn't china have/get long range AAM?

Totoro

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So that ramjet R77 isn't available for production? Does anyone know when and if it will ever be? Wouldn't it be nice if EU dropped the arms embargo and actually sold the Meteor to anyone who wants to pay for it? I'm guessing that'll never happen, US would do anything to stop such a trade. So the long range R77 seems as an only option for China. And seeing how longer range version of amraam is on the horizon (aim-120D) and even aim-120C-7 is already being deployed this year within USAAF, range of some 75km.

Like i was saying before, long range AAMs have little use against fighters but would be indispensible against awacs aircraft. too bad the improved R77 with that 150 km cited range is still not enough to engage, for example, an E2 without having to deal with its fighter cover first. I guess the only good thing there is that superhornet is somewhat weaker than the likes of Su30mk2.

Does anyone know how long would it take to transfer a squadron of f22s from the US to Okinawa? Or even worse for China, if a number of Raptors would permanently be stationed at Okinawa, instead of F15Cs. That would seriously hinder Chinese odds at any kind of air engagement over taiwan.
 

chinawhite

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these E-3 E-2 will be miles away from range of even the R-33. monitoring the battle sapce. i really dobut that it china fire off a shot before getting shot down
 

chinawhite

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ger_mark said:
at the moment europe has way better AAM's then the usa

why do you use the term "way better".? from my point of view it makes it sound like its a generation or more ahead of the AMRAAM. when its just a few more miles of the range.
 

Totoro

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chinawhite said:
these E-3 E-2 will be miles away from range of even the R-33. monitoring the battle sapce. i really dobut that it china fire off a shot before getting shot down

True, R33 doesn't really have the necesarry range. One would have to locate target and fire the missile against an awacs from some 250-300km range to have any chance of avoiding a conflict with awacs fighter cover. I guess it is true that no such missile is operational. Still, having longer range than amraam in order to fight your way through to the awacs could be useful...
 

IDonT

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Totoro said:
True, R33 doesn't really have the necesarry range. One would have to locate target and fire the missile against an awacs from some 250-300km range to have any chance of avoiding a conflict with awacs fighter cover. I guess it is true that no such missile is operational. Still, having longer range than amraam in order to fight your way through to the awacs could be useful...

An AWACS is a high value target in the air battlefield. It will be heavily guarded and its almost impossible to sneak up on it with out stealth.

Its detection range is very great. It can vector fighters to neutralize hostiles before it can become a threat. In order to deal with AWACS you must fight through its escorting fighters.

When enemy gets to close, an AWACS will just shut off it radar and hit the deck. Another AWACS usually take over.

USAF did an exercise with 2 F-22 trying to shoot down an AWACS with 6 F-15 C guarding. The AWACS and the F-15 never had a chance....
 
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