why doesn't china have/get long range AAM?

It might be a good time to get plasma tech

Maybe missiles can be incorporated with plasma tech... hmmm

or a mini piece of uranium and also can have a self-destruct so your tech wont fall into enemy hand... err nvm, ima go shower and ACTUALLY wake up

Hmmmm.........

Can't jets burn other fuels than just petroleum?

Hygrogen cells are OK.(The exhaust from the jets are partly H2O you know, plus, it's better to have water than pollutants) But we cannot operate in the Stratosphere w/o first concerning the damage it will bring.(The Stratosphere natively does not have water, so don't try to change it!)

As for the F-22 pic, it's just some wacko's drawing......

As for the AAM, the MICA is the bomb! 45km in only 4 sec, baby!
But it's not really long range though.......

The R-27 and 77 are fine, but not a lot of planes in PLAAF carries it.

The SD-10 is going great. It and PL-11 is a big threat, at least when they are common in PLAAF.

China can employ some long range heavy AAMs against large planes, but not a lot.

They can fit it into the J-8B if it got the right radar.(But it has only 5 HP and 800km radius! J-7Es fly farther....)

As for attacking an AWACS, I doubt you can do it w/o risking life.
My idea: Send in a group of agile fighters(4?) armed with a number of AAMs into the AWACS net to lure the fighter escort for the AWACS. Then send one or two good-radared fighters armed with an ARAAM(size doesn't matter, it's a large plane, FT-2000?) into the AWACS' zone and send it down. Get 2 fighters to escort these attacking planes if needed.

Or

Send one or two good-radared J-8Bs armed with an ARAAM(size doesn't matter, it's a large plane, FT-2000?) to the outside of the AWACS net, wait for the fighters to pass, then fly in and send it down.
And if you can't wait, attack the group from the front, less time to react as the planes are now going twice as fast toward each other.

why is PL-11 a threat, its just a medium ranged Semi radar active missile like the Sparrow or Asphide, nothing special, not very modern

the MICA reminds me of a big standard; but doesn't china have other missiles to target AWACS like anti-radiation missiles? they got a ramjet powered one from thh russian, i thought it was the moskit when i first saw it

While r77 is supported by only su30mkk, mk2 and a smaller number of J11s, r27 is being used on a wide variety of chinese platforms. All the planes i mentioned plus all the remaining j11s, plus su27, j8ii, j7g, probably j10 too. I read some article mentioning there was some 3000 of various versions of r27 sold to china.

Bringing down an awacs is more or less impossible without casulties. It's hard to even predict what kind of fighter cover it'd have. But lets assume a lone carrier group, too far away to get additional air support (which is not quite realistic but to hell with it ) If it'd want to maintain 24/7 E2 coverage around the carrier, fighter cover for a E2 would be something like 4-6 hornets. (tomcats are already one foot (landing gear?) in retirement anyway)
They would stick with the awacs. Never too close so they don't endanger it, but never too far so they can't reach to defend it.

Plus, all the attacking forces would be seen on awacs radar. If they're asessed as too threatening, awacs would turn around and flee towards carrier, with its fighter cover either following it and keeping its rear covered, or staying to fight off/slow down/weaken the attackers. awacs could also shut down its radar if the enemy is close enough to launch a radar emission seeking missile. At that point they'd already know where and how many enemies are, and awacs is just running away to save its life, a new e2 is coming to replace it anyway, launched from the carrier after an interception force is launched.

So. Basically, there's little chance of destroying the awacs without having to go through its fighter cover. Basically you need a large enough force to do it with enough fuel left to afterburn your way in order to catch the awacs before the carrier interceptors come in range to protect it. Providing the e2 was so far in front of the carrier in the first place. It's quite doable. Rinse and repeat a few times and carrier group will back off, if it's number of E2s is low enough. They're carrying 4 usually, but in a war situation like that it could go up to as much as 6. Still, they need at least 2 to maintain SOME sort of sustained air control (itd be much less of a radius around the CBG) and it's possible even that would be deemed too risky to stay.

Why is PL-11 not a threat? It's just as good as Sparrow, Alamo.
Plus, it's not like the AWACS, especially the E2, can flee from it.
It's not like you are going to attack with one plane, and if you do, that plane was dead anyway.

sumdud said:

Why is PL-11 not a threat? It's just as good as Sparrow, Alamo.

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Well, the PL-11 is a semi-active missile, like every semi-active, it has poor accuracy, make the launcher vulnerable to counter-fire, too easy to evade.

Actually, PL11 has superior range to sparrow, which would be taiwan's main medium range AAM. But sinodefence says only a relatively small number was ever put in service. Makes sense, with huge numbers of r27 PLAF has, plus r77 and ongoing work on PL12. I'm guessing that's the real reason why it never saw a broad application, they just switched resources to superior PL12 as it was getting close to be finished soon. Sinodefence cites 2005 as possible year when it'll be introduced to service but even if it ends up being 2007 or so it's still good, it'd be over 10 years of development by then.

check here
Check the august 10th section, it says that J10A is fitted with new missiles. To me, the only good explanation is SD-10.

SD-10 isnt good enough, a medium range missle like that one isnt good these days... what's the best missile in the US?

WE NEED TO MAKE ONE AS THAT GOOD