Why Chinese Mothers are Superior...

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bd popeye

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The issue has nothing to do with "over-parenting"

solarz..how many children do you have? My ex-wife and I raised four. Now ages 34 to 22.

I stand on what I stated >>> over parenting is causing the wussification of the west. People are raising a bunch of sissies. Those children will have a difficult time standing on their own two feet.

Just my opinion...And I shall not argue with you.

Oh by the way..you are correct on this..

You can be over-protective even if you don't set any demands on the child. You can also be a strict and demanding parent that pushes your child into the most difficult challenges.

I was never over protective or over demanding.. I was strict however..but very fair.
 

cliveersknell

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Thanks Solarz for your enlightening reply. I truly learned something from you.

I would like to share another observation:
1. My wife has a good friend who is from Taiwan, she always wants her son to better than others, to do point of driving him crazy . On the other hand, my wife is not like that. She pushes , but she does not try to compete with other families.

CofC means " Commander in Chief".
your comments please. I like your feedback, and am learning much from them.

;)
 

solarz

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solarz..how many children do you have? My ex-wife and I raised four. Now ages 34 to 22. I stand on what I stated >>> over parenting is causing the wussification of the west. People are raising a bunch of sissies. Those children will have a difficult time standing on their own two feet.

What I'm saying is that the essay in my OP is about parenting styles, and not about being "over-protective", which can happen in both Chinese and "Western" families.
 

tphuang

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This woman is extreme even by Chinese standard. I know very few Chinese mother who are as crazy as she is. Using her way, if the child is extremely obedient and smart, they will become successful in their careers and make good money as doctors, dentists, professors or work for big name tech firms. However, they will become socially awkward, incapable of building good friends and become social pariahs. It's harder for them to be creative and also move up in a work environment where social interaction is required for advancement (which is basically all professional work environment). If the child is not that obedient, they will probably rebel against her at some point or resent her for the rest of her life. Not exactly great parenting if you ask me.
 

solarz

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This woman is extreme even by Chinese standard. I know very few Chinese mother who are as crazy as she is. Using her way, if the child is extremely obedient and smart, they will become successful in their careers and make good money as doctors, dentists, professors or work for big name tech firms. However, they will become socially awkward, incapable of building good friends and become social pariahs. It's harder for them to be creative and also move up in a work environment where social interaction is required for advancement (which is basically all professional work environment). If the child is not that obedient, they will probably rebel against her at some point or resent her for the rest of her life. Not exactly great parenting if you ask me.

I think it's important to note that this is an essay, and not an instruction manual on raising kids. As such, it is provocative because it is meant to challenge a status-quo.

Does her ways seem extreme? Then it's most likely because the author *chose* to frame it that way. If you really think about it, what exactly is so "extreme" about not being allowed to play video games... to a couple of girls who probably aren't even interested in them? Same thing goes for the supposed "prohibition" on school plays and extracurricular activities.

In other words, if you read between the lines, the author is just describing the way her family functions, and phrasing it in a way to make it sound draconian.
 
Children no matter the culture/race/ethnic background are supposed to have fun ,within reason, when growing up. They also need learning varied experiences. A mother that controls every aspect of a child's life will have so much resentment built towards her there may be a major disconnect when the children reach adulthood. And I do firmly believe that children raised in the manner described will adjust poorly to the very real and harsh World.

Raising children in this manner crosses all culture/race/ethnic backgrounds. It part of as the Gov of PA,Ed Rendell, states the wussification of America.

ahhh finally a topic i somewhat have more knowledge into. popeye u aren't wrong about the necessities to have fun, but of everything, the secrets is to unharness the child's potentials and extinct the bad, while not socially neglecting the child. this is extremely important, as authoritative parenting produces disciplined, high self-esteemed, confident children, while indulgent parenting leads to slackers. neglective parents lead to children with social problems, and authoritarian parents leads to insecure children. children can withstand the tortures of the environment and the demands placed upon them, as long as the children know s/he is still receiving a warm message from the parents. this explains why asian children, even if gets beatings and POW treatments just for homework, still comes out fine. this is because asian children, deep inside, knew their parents love them. these are also the messages that their parents reassure constantly. while their parents are nazis when it's study time, once the serious stuffs are pushed aside, they still show a lot of affectionate love and caring to their children. asian parents may beat their children up and insults aren't uncommon inside the house, but once in public, the parents will boast of their children like deities, and will be extremely protective, sensitive to outsider's words. this is the moment where u see the parents' display of pride of their children. parents don't display that too much in front of their children often because of the fear of spoiling them.

in additions, asian children were taught that what they experienced at home were nothing compared to the world out there, and that their parents always loved them. the in-home training goes a long way to developing the early years up to adolescence, where then the parents take a different approach because by now, the children would have learned self discipline. by this stage, the hard work and all the screaming and yellings paid off: asian childrens are now stronger-willed inside, can take more substantious beatings and hardships, and the skills acquired from all the early days of schooling developed strong cognitive, aptitude skills, while music training and the learning of various schools of art and skills trained the left hemispheric cortex of the brain. the combinations is a very healthy thing to make the children to becoming a strong standing person with strong mental will, as well as a handful of well-developed basic skills under their belt. they are now more ready to tackle the next stages in life in terms of their education and work careers. the children realize these, and would actually become grateful and thankful to their parents for these trainings that they have received, as they finally understand why they had to go through all these pain. let's not forget childhood passes faster than our later lives, when memories are more vivid with our experience.

in a way, it can be even said that asian children and parents display strong will, and are more determined and hardened when it comes to parenting. maybe it was due to how we were brought up, but we believed in hardships, and only hardships will bring out the best of men. in contrast, the west may be more softer inside, due with the strong conscious of individual sensitivities.

asian cultural beliefs also viewed that children were indebted to their parents because without their parents, they won't exist. the concerns of "their children didn't choose to get to be born or not" is an unrealistic and pointless question. it doesn't solve anything, and also can never be answered. however the parents also knew it's their primary responsibilities to care for their children, and to train/discipline them to become proud standing beings. there's a teaching that went by "feed but not teach, dad's fault." in sanzhijin (3 letter book), which means it's the parents' blunders to take care of their children but failing to teach them. the next sentence went on to apply the same responsibilities to teachers, therefore parents and teachers in asian cultures are very big on what responsibilities they have the right to fulfill.

i for one, recalled the days where i had to stay up until 4am reciting the multiplication table because my mom won't allow me sleep till i mastered it. the same occurred with learning learning 50 english vocabularies a night, and getting beaten up if i slack. i also had plenty of english tutors back then. these led me to developing a split-second response in answering multiplication questions, while spelling errors were rarely something i encounter these days. would/do i resent my parents for these training? nope, because even then, i knew why it's necessary to perfect it(although i didnt exactly see why/the potentials until years later). plus, we were brought up to know it's a must that we are good in these, otherwise we're screwed.

as for social life, asian parents actually encouraged the children to make friends. we arent introverted or socially closed as the essay might depict. all those extracurricular activities included arts, dancing, music, and even sports too, even school plays or scouts or guides or various clubs(i was in the cadets)
(it's also these exposures where you see competitive behaviors between parents)
that essay merely failed to cover those aspects.

consider asian parenting as military training. lol

i hope these offer some insights to our culture. (im also doing psychology major, where developmental psyc was something covered in our material)
 
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bladerunner

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Does her ways seem extreme? Then it's most likely because the author *chose* to frame it that way. If you really think about it, what exactly is so "extreme" about not being allowed to play video games... to a couple of girls who probably aren't even interested in them? Same thing goes for the supposed "prohibition" on school plays and extracurricular activities.

It comes across that she has already decided what is or isn't good for child's interests and its not a matter of exposing them to it.

Teenage suicide due to scholastic pressure is understood in Japan, I wonder how Chinese society deal with it?
 
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KYli

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The parenting that Amy Chua advocates should be described as the extreme end of a spectrum and does not represent all Chinese parents. Moreover, it would be considered to be abusive from the western perspectives. Personally, I don't accept her notions that her methods are superior. The typical results from growing up in a restrictive environment would bring about either an extremely obedient child or a very rebellious one.

However ,education is not always about fun or easy. Students must do the hard work of educating themselves, and memorization sometime is necessary to laid the foundation. High expectations might not always produce the best possible outcomes, but low expectations for children and finding excuses for lack of performance would only encourage children to underperform. I would advocate for the golden mean for nurturing and raising children.
 

solarz

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It comes across that she has already decided what is or isn't good for child's interests and its not a matter of exposing them to it.

Teenage suicide due to scholastic pressure is understood in Japan, I wonder how Chinese society deal with it?

Heh, this is one of the greatest ironies of Chinese parenting: the kids are regulated from kindergarten to high school, yet upon high school graduation, many of them go off alone to attend universities hundreds of miles away from home, where they proceed to act like the typical Western teenager.

So no, suicide due to scholastic pressure isn't that much of an issue. ;)
 

kwaigonegin

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kids are turning into sissies..because of over-parenting.

I have to respectfully disagree bdp. Over-parenting is not necesarily the same as over protective.
to me wussification has more to do with hypochondriac parents and parents that treat their child as some sort of a snowflake or like a ming vase. Not letting them go out play in the dirt, learning new things/talents making mistakes, going through school of hard knocks etc or in many cases even help their kids "cheat" to get ahead in life.

This parent is definitely over parenting but I wouldn't consider her to be necessarily over-protective. In fact in many ways she my be under-protective!

At any rate, in my opinion she is also doing the chinese community a huge disfavor albeit unintentionally. Lord knows people already like to negatively stereotype Asians in general this one with all the national attention just add fuel to the fire for the bigots and racists all over.
 
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