Back then US and China were Cold War allies against the Soviet Union. The degree of US military sales and tech transfer to PRC was quite limited. The US was interested in giving the PLA moderate enhancements through upgrades. The Europeans, on the other hand, were happy to sell everything from the system, to its blue prints and transfer of manufacturing technology.
Why China doesn't purchase weapons from Asian countries
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Back then US and China were Cold War allies against the Soviet Union. The degree of US military sales and tech transfer to PRC was quite limited. The US was interested in giving the PLA moderate enhancements through upgrades. The Europeans, on the other hand, were happy to sell everything from the system, to its blue prints and transfer of manufacturing technology.
Skywatcher
Captain
A problem with buying avionics or high end technological subsystems from neighboring Asian countries is that a lot of those technological systems are at least contain some degree of American origin content, which would create all sorts of nightmares if American EW efforts were to exploit such content.
Infra_Man99
Banned Idiot
That is not EXACTLY correct. US and China were NOT Cold War allies. The US, Russian, Chinese triangulation were politically jostling. Sometimes the US and China worked behind Russia's back, other times the US and Russia worked behind China's back, and still other times Russia and China worked behind the US's back.
The US's willing technology transfer to China was limited and most of the technology was basic stuff (you are correct here), however, some of the technology was good stuff, not the best stuff, but good stuff, such as good satellite technology and other good technologies. The European Union, or its precursor, did NOT sell EVERYTHING to China. The EU or its precursor sold more stuff to China than the US did to China, but the EU or its precursor still greatly limited what they willingly sold to China.
Correct. For her immediate defense needs, China is self-sufficiant. She has no need to purchase weapons from others, China's systems get better with every generation.
What China needs is teck--and she's getting it, as already stated, from all over the world...including the U.S.
China is in no danger of military assault from ANY country for the forseeable future so the goal of the PLA is steady improvement in systems and capabilities. In that case, buying Asian weapons, even top quality S.K. and Japaonese systems is a waste of money.
One danger of the current spy/copy paradigm is that the Middle Kingdom will eventually find itself in the same technological cul-de-sac as the old Soviet Union: producers of competent, quality weapons and systems that are ALWAYS and FOREVER one to two generations behind the only country that matters: mine, America.
No other country threatens Chinese hegemony in east Asia/West Pacific. China must eventually build a large, modern, all-volunteer defence force based on indigenous, not copied tech. It will take another couple generations. At that point, other Asian countries will be trying to copy Chinese weapons and tactics.
Ben James
Oklahoma, USA
(BTW, I am a loyal and patriotic American--my favorite country. But it is time for China, the world's oldest and largest state, to become the economic and military power that she was for two thousand years. China will not be a threat to world peace, as the Soviet Union was--she will be a defender of world stability, either in competition with, or partnership with America...but America's equal and superior to all other nations in power and influance.)
What China needs is teck--and she's getting it, as already stated, from all over the world...including the U.S.
China is in no danger of military assault from ANY country for the forseeable future so the goal of the PLA is steady improvement in systems and capabilities. In that case, buying Asian weapons, even top quality S.K. and Japaonese systems is a waste of money.
One danger of the current spy/copy paradigm is that the Middle Kingdom will eventually find itself in the same technological cul-de-sac as the old Soviet Union: producers of competent, quality weapons and systems that are ALWAYS and FOREVER one to two generations behind the only country that matters: mine, America.
No other country threatens Chinese hegemony in east Asia/West Pacific. China must eventually build a large, modern, all-volunteer defence force based on indigenous, not copied tech. It will take another couple generations. At that point, other Asian countries will be trying to copy Chinese weapons and tactics.
Ben James
Oklahoma, USA
(BTW, I am a loyal and patriotic American--my favorite country. But it is time for China, the world's oldest and largest state, to become the economic and military power that she was for two thousand years. China will not be a threat to world peace, as the Soviet Union was--she will be a defender of world stability, either in competition with, or partnership with America...but America's equal and superior to all other nations in power and influance.)
That's a foolish thing to say. No offence but Japan only wants to be a good trading partner to China and America both. She is no threat and no danger to China's rise or America's continued influence in the world.
'Obliterating' any country just means more killed or orphaned children and smoking cities. After the horrors of Nanjing and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, the Korean War and now the Islamic terrorist threat, what we all need is peace and prosperity for all of our children.
BTW, I never said anything about the U.S. and China "running the world" together. I said they are natural partners, or friendly competitors, in protecting world peace and stability.
Japan has learned her lesson about attacking other countries--she is no threat to China. China has a very, very long and honorable history of only fighting to defend herself from outside aggresssion. I don't think that will change.
Ben James
Oklahoma, USA
'Obliterating' any country just means more killed or orphaned children and smoking cities. After the horrors of Nanjing and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, the Korean War and now the Islamic terrorist threat, what we all need is peace and prosperity for all of our children.
BTW, I never said anything about the U.S. and China "running the world" together. I said they are natural partners, or friendly competitors, in protecting world peace and stability.
Japan has learned her lesson about attacking other countries--she is no threat to China. China has a very, very long and honorable history of only fighting to defend herself from outside aggresssion. I don't think that will change.
Ben James
Oklahoma, USA
I like many of S. Korea's new weapon systems, but most have licensed technology from Europe or US, so I doubt export to PRC is possible at this time.
I like the K2 MBT, K-9 SPH w/K-10 replenisher vehicle, the weapon system and technologies on the K21 IFV (but not its light fiberglass chassis for tracked IFV), T-50 jet trainer, and its latest naval warships.
I don't agree with the lighter chassis on the K21 IFV, because I think tracked IFV/APC's sent with MBT's should be "heavy" and built from tank chassis, like the Israeli IDF Achzarit & Namer. Lighter IFV/APC's belong to the 6x6/8x8 wheeled category for mobile infantry.
I like the K2 MBT, K-9 SPH w/K-10 replenisher vehicle, the weapon system and technologies on the K21 IFV (but not its light fiberglass chassis for tracked IFV), T-50 jet trainer, and its latest naval warships.
I don't agree with the lighter chassis on the K21 IFV, because I think tracked IFV/APC's sent with MBT's should be "heavy" and built from tank chassis, like the Israeli IDF Achzarit & Namer. Lighter IFV/APC's belong to the 6x6/8x8 wheeled category for mobile infantry.