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kwaigonegin

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The only way refugees can be wholly integrated into society is when whole families are brought in together and not via individuals belonging to a certain gender and age. I bet you a vast majority of those refugee perps from those incidents are single men 18-30.

Vietnamese refugees have for the most part integrated 100% into the American society and it was done within two generations!. Bosnians are well on their way there as well. St. L has the largest concentration of Bosnians in the world outside of Bosnia. They have been model citizens.
The Europeans should at least look at the experiences and lesson learned from that and apply some of them to their own scenario.

Heck some of our own leaders should look into how it was done as well.
 

Scratch

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I would like to inject a few points here.

The police chief Albers was eventually sacked for his true incompetence, and probably with some grief by his superios.
Albers has made a few miscalculations in the past regarding how much police would be needed to handle certain events, leading to riots or crimes. The big blow, however, was his public handling of the new years eve aftermath. Albers himself, who is also a SPD party member, just like the main party in the current state government, has, for days declared the police was in control of the situation at all times and refugees / immigrants did not play a significant role in those events in Cologne.
Only after ever more witnesses, social media reports, smart phone videos and leaked police reports clearly exposed the opposite, did he admit to it. By that time, his credibility with the public was essentially shattered. And the SecInt of that state, same party, was pretty much forced to act to keep the semblence of being in control.

The guidance of the Cologne mayor for women to change their behaviour here is a shame.

There is now beginning a discussion on the implications of police top brass (political figures), officials and also media, not having properly reported this for days, trying to seperate the topics of mass immigration and crime. One leading ciminologist, and I think also leading police union member, is telling how he was told by media not to mention refugess, or else the interview would be aborted. After all, the initial tale of those criminals being pocket pickers using sexuall harassment as a distraction proved to be false as well. Police reports say it was the opposite. These scums were looking for "sexual amusement", also stealing in the process.

All this comes on top of a similar discussion. A few weeks ago, a female german police officer with greek origins (if she were a native, imagine the outcry of racism), has published a book in which she describes her daily routine.
She reports how immigrants of turkish-arabian origin lack even the slightest discipline or respect for police, how police work is deranged by physical attack of those immigrants in groups, and how the police essentially has already partially surrendered to that. There are areas in certain cities, into which police will only go with a force of 10+ officers.
In that context many of the police complain about a complete lack of political support. For years there was a climate where police, whenever engaged in enforcing public order, have been attacked by certain political figures for attacking peoples freedom. And noone properly challanged that view.

Beginning to rise in about October last year, and really picking up now, are sales of publicly available self defence items, like alarm pistols, e-shockers and especially pepper-spray.

While it is also true that police are generally undermaned considerably, I challange the view that it is a financial issue. Even though the german state was making more dept until very recently, it was all against the backdrop of a 5+ year streak of record yearly tax earnings. The money is certainly there, the issue is where it is going.

Besides, I also argue there is not an issue with immigration in Germany per se. There are many groups of immigrants from Europe, South America or Asia who have integrated exemplary and are an enrichment to our society.

With so called "right-wing" political entities on the rise on the sentiment public official are not telling the truth, it'll be interesting to see if there's a continuation of "don't admit there's a problem, it will only help the right", or if some decide to tackle the issue.
 

plawolf

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The Germans need to make it crystal clear that while they welcome refugees, that welcome is conditional.

On good faith, they are pretty much allowing everyone in. However, if anyone does not give German laws and customs all due respect and obedience, then they can GTHO and see how well sexually harassing the wives and girlfriends of ISIS fighters goes down back home.
 

Janiz

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On good faith, they are pretty much allowing everyone in. However, if anyone does not give German laws and customs all due respect and obedience, then they can GTHO and see how well sexually harassing the wives and girlfriends of ISIS fighters goes down back home.
If some estimates talk about 80% of them being male between 20-40 years without much qualifications what do you expect to happen? 800k of reasonably young males without occupation, language skills, lots of free time and money (compared to what they had wherever they come from), born and raised in completely different culture where women aren't as respected as in European christian culture... The problem will of course become worse and worse with time and it only started. Some say that another 2 million 'refugees' will come to Germany next year.

And to think that I was thinking about going there for work in a few coming years... Unfortunately I'm white, well educated and qualified worker who would go there for work so no one would help me on the start (like giving me money for free like they do with them) and welcoming me at the airport :( Germany in 5 years won't be the same country that was there 10 years ago and we all have a picture of that in our heads...
 
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I would like to inject a few points here.
thank you for your insights, Scratch

for me the toughest part was
... There are areas in certain cities, into which police will only go with a force of 10+ officers.
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but anyway I looked for positive spin, which I think I found in
Merkel says Cologne NYE assaults will have far-reaching consequences
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interesting sentence is
She also mentioned an increase in the interior ministry's budget and an additional 4,000 federal police force officers pledged for the coming year.
as I wonder, in light of your post, if those additional four thousand cops (this is how I understood that sentence) would be enough to handle the menace coming at you, since it would mean the increase by one point six percent of Police size
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100*((4000+243625)/243625)-100
 

delft

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thank you for your insights, Scratch

for me the toughest part was

but anyway I looked for positive spin, which I think I found in
Merkel says Cologne NYE assaults will have far-reaching consequences
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interesting sentence is
as I wonder, in light of your post, if those additional four thousand cops (this is how I understood that sentence) would be enough to handle the menace coming at you, since it would mean the increase by one point six percent of Police size
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I listened to Merkel in the video and thought she expressed herself firmly but in moderate terms.
 

Scratch

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as I wonder, in light of your post, if those additional four thousand cops (this is how I understood that sentence) would be enough to handle the menace coming at you, since it would mean the increase by one point six percent of Police size
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I must say right know I'm not exactly up-tp-date on that particular topic. But an additional 3.000 officers for the federal police was decided on about 3 month ago just to be able to get to manning levels barely allowing a comprehensive registraion of refugees coming in country. I guess they just packed another 1.000 on top now.
So 3/4 of those additionals are originally to fill gaps in registration and allow part of all the officers pooled there to return to their security providing jobs. I don't see those numbers alone being a turn-around.
I mean, most of the state police forces are undermanned themselves.

On Chancellor Merkel, she now announced that problems must be openly addressed. I find it improper that she even thinks this worth mentioning. And she should have talked about effectively tackling problems by now.
 
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