Western Media bias against China

Mr T said:

... ... "the media" ever lost the argument on democracy ... ... ... widespread anti-China effort ... ...

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Let's get real, there is no need to hide behind the democratic bushes or any other so-called benevolent western systems.

1) The western media and western leadership had already lost on the merits of democracy a long, long time ago. And, there will be more defeats coming. You just watch.

:nana: One question for you:

What kind flawed leadership election system that managed to vote George Dubya Bush twice?

Answer: The so-called Numero Uno Democratic system on Earth (USA).

2) Anti-China and Anti-Chinese are so widespread in the western world, because of one and one thing only:

< The majority of western world are absolutely trembling at the thought of China Peaceful Rising, since the western world have a deep seated belief that China Peaceful Rising are too huge, too fast and too awesome for even the champion of the western world (USA) to handle. >

If China is the size of Vatican and China economic strength is the class of Vanuatu, then maybe, the Anti-China and Anti-Chinese are not so across the board.

Mr T said:

It wasn't largely over within 24 hours. It kicked off on 5th, with the "armed" Han mob taking to the streets on 7th. The big show of force didn't happen until after that, but in any case the Han certainly didn't feel there were enough personnel there to protect them.

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They were caught unprepared in first night leading to the deaths. But by the next day break, less than 24 hrs, it sure looked like they got it right by then with most of the 1000+ arrests already made & killings stopped. The Hans taking to the street was more looking for revenge than feeling unsafe. In fact, the forces was so effective in preventing trouble by then that the Hans didn't seem to be able to attack many Uighurs. The foreign reporters were there by then & no major attacks on the Uighurs were reported other than some of the usual unsubstantiated empty claims by the exiles.
Note I believe in the LA riots, they didn't regain full control for a few days.

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Mr T said:

It wasn't largely over within 24 hours. It kicked off on 5th, with the "armed" Han mob taking to the streets on 7th. The big show of force didn't happen until after that, but in any case the Han certainly didn't feel there were enough personnel there to protect them.

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Mr. T. Chinese security forces did an excellent job in restoring law and order within 24 hours. If you follow the event closely, you will know that the rioting and killing of innocent Han Chinese only occured on the 5th of July. It didn't start at one place, but many locations simultaneously. This proves that it was premeditated. Chinese security forces were caught by surprise on the 5th of July only because the rioting and killing happened so fast and at so many places. However, they were able to stop the killing and rioting within 24 hours and start rounding-up operation the next day, proving that the forces are very effective in dealing with surprised crisis. Another point I would like to make clear is that there were no revenge killings carried out by angry Han people on July the 7th because the security forces did an excellent job again on that day in stopping and dispersing the angry crowd. Here is the fact of the rioting and killing of innocent Han people:

7.5 Xinjiang Urumqi Riots facts Time: 7 p.m. Urumqi time, July 5, 2009

Death toll: 184

People wounded: Over 1,000

Shops damaged: More than 200

Punishment: 1,434 suspects arrested

Mastermind behind violence: Rebiya Kadeer

Truth: "The unrest was a preempted, organized violent crime. It was instigated and directed from abroad, and carried out by outlaws in the country."

Dru Gladney is said to be a China expert but is he a chinese language expert too? I'm not one but I do know that all the different Chinese Han dialects definitely have the same language roots. Most of the words differ in either the consonant, the vowel or the tone or the combination of this. If you know the different dialects, you can catch it quite easily. As to the minority group dialects, I have no idea.

yehe said:

.....cuz they overdone it and overdone it by way too much, to the degree than I can even say they arent much better than the chinese goverment propaganda, just in the opposite way.

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Who is "they"? Not every media group in the world counters the Chinese government's positions in the same way. Some are far more truthful and balanced than others and the Chinese government.

GreenestGDP, this is a non-politics forum, but it's also worth pointing out that the US elected JFK, Reagan, Clinton and Obama to office. Democratic nations elect plenty of good leaders, whilst there have been and currently are plenty of bad leaders in non-democratic countries.

Schumacher, if you want to say the Han took to the streets looking for revenge then you're entitled to do so. Though it seems the Police often made only half-hearted attempts to stop them. So either they didn't have the numbers or they couldn't care less if Uighurs got hurt. Either case shows the authorities did not restore order as quickly as they could/should have done.

Rising China, there is currently little evidence (if any that is credible) that this was a pre-meditated event planned by Rebiya Kadeer. It was caused by long-running resentment over matters such as the millions of Han/non-Uighur immigrants who have arrived in Xinjiang since the 1940s and changed the demographic balance there, a perception that Han people were benefiting disproportionately from China's growth and other issues, which in turn was touched off by confirmed reports that Uighurs had been killed in southern China, yet apparently little had been done about it.

Quickie, . Dru Gladney speaks (at the very least) Mandarin, Turkish, Uyghur, Uzbek, Kazakh and Russian.

I fully support the way our Chinese government handling the crisis. Look at these pictures; you will understand why.

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Those pictures just broke my heart this shouldn't happen to any one

Gents, stay clear of any political discussion.

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Mr T said:

Rising China, there is currently little evidence (if any that is credible) that this was a pre-meditated event planned by Rebiya Kadeer. It was caused by long-running resentment over matters such as the millions of Han/non-Uighur immigrants who have arrived in Xinjiang since the 1940s and changed the demographic balance there, a perception that Han people were benefiting disproportionately from China's growth and other issues, which in turn was touched off by confirmed reports that Uighurs had been killed in southern China, yet apparently little had been done about it.

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It doesn't matter who planned the riot, nor does it matter if the Uighur has grievance. Attacking and killing innocent people is wrong, punishments should be served, end of story.

That being said, I do agree that something has to be done about the Uighur, as well as the Tibetans. You see, being the minorities, they have many benefits including not being bounded by the one-child policy, no punishment for many crimes, lower entry scores for University, guaranteed a portion of positions in the work force. Some of these benefits should be taken away, as they are discriminating against the majority.

Mr T said:

RC, you support the fact the government took days to send reinforcements in to the point where Han people decided to take matters into their own hands and start an Uighur hunt?

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Although armed, the protest against the Uighur was largely peaceful, as it was dispersed by the security forces before it could get violent. As a result, nothing serious like the Han hunt on the 5th occurred.

I hope from now on, the security would be there 24/7 to prevent another Han hunt from occurring.

Mr T said:

Rising China, there is currently little evidence (if any that is credible) that this was a pre-meditated event planned by Rebiya Kadeer. It was caused by long-running resentment over matters such as the millions of Han/non-Uighur immigrants who have arrived in Xinjiang since the 1940s and changed the demographic balance there, a perception that Han people were benefiting disproportionately from China's growth and other issues, which in turn was touched off by confirmed reports that Uighurs had been killed in southern China, yet apparently little had been done about it.

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So Mr. T, based on your reasoning, Sept. 11 is the result of U.S. long-running oppression and exploitation of muslim people. In that case, next time if people in U.S. or the West are killed by terrorists, then Chinese media can say that the terrorists are peaceful protesters looking for justice because they have been oppressed and marginalized by U.S. society for a long time. It's ethnic cleansing if U.S. or Western governments arrest or kill those peaceful protesters. Just think carefully before you speak.