Western Media bias against China

Re: Death toll in Xinjiang riot rises to 140

Schumacher said:

Foreign media are having free access in Urumqi. What 'denied access' do you mean ?

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The BBC crew that was told to stop filming when a standoff between protestors and police intensified. (Apparently the crew kept on filming somewhat covertly a bit). Or journalists being told to stay at home or only move to and from the airport, maybe for "security reasons".

Re: Death toll in Xinjiang riot rises to 140

Bltizo said:

Haha, that's too true. The PRC needs to have some more Public relations people that understands how their own people and how people from western countries think, which may reduce bad press a little.
Chinese coverage of the riots I think were pretty good, some news channel I watched made reference to coverage of this to coverage of tian an men, commenting it was "different".

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Wont work all Western media can see in this situation is $$$, who will buy papers or watch news if it was the other way around? They make alot of profit but bad mouthing China. China freedom is minimal, Western criticizes China. China opens up its freedom a little for Olympics and Sichuan earthquake the get criticized even more. So I can see why China is reluctant to free up its media to the world, they don't know what the Western world wants them to do, its a double edged knife both ways for China.

I fully support the way our Chinese government handling the crisis. Look at these pictures; you will understand why.

Interesting article, don't know what quite to make of it.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Interesting article, don't know what quite to make of it.

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It means that having lost the China argument on Democracy and Economy, that the media have moved on to social cohesion as the main anti China weapon.

I also note that the new BBC man Quentin Sommerville makes Reynolds almost appear objective!! The "I think we need to move away for our own safety" line was comical. As was talking about a demonstration of Han men welcoming the Security Forces, while behind him, at the head of the march was at least one woman in Islamic headscarf!! I would compare him to the Damien Day character from the old TV spoof "Drop the Dead Donkey". For those that never saw it, it probably worth a google and a You Tube to find out what I mean

Re: Death toll in Xinjiang riot rises to 140

Scratch said:

The BBC crew that was told to stop filming when a standoff between protestors and police intensified. (Apparently the crew kept on filming somewhat covertly a bit). Or journalists being told to stay at home or only move to and from the airport, maybe for "security reasons".

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Its simply a normal practice to stop anyone filming police arrest in China, its a tradtion past down ever since early days, nothing much to read into. Anway, doing arrest is doing arrest, it usually isnt a pretty sight doesnt matter where in the world it occur, especially if there is people resisting a arrest, even more the case in a riot, guess they just dont want ppl to see the possibly violent action.

Urumqi is still free for reporters to do thier job, but I also heard of Kashgar banned foriegn reporter, which is quite odd since its is Urumqi that the riot broke out not Kashgar. Some rumor has it that some foriegn reporter was asking questions that sounded more like trying to instigating a new riot when interviewing the Uighers in the already tense city, but thats just rumor.

Rising China said:

I fully support the way our Chinese government handling the crisis. Look at these pictures; you will understand why.

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RC, you support the fact the government took days to send reinforcements in to the point where Han people decided to take matters into their own hands and start an Uighur hunt?

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Interesting article, don't know what quite to make of it.

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I think there's certainly been a lot of papering over the cracks in Chinese society in the past. When times were good it was often possible to ignore these problems but with the economic crisis and jobs being harder to come by they came up to the surface.

Question is, is there going to be a hard look at these problems and a solution thought up, or will a big stick just be waived that will just push things down until they explode next time? It's worrying that as usual foreigners are being blamed for the trouble - if you're in denial about the cause of the event then you've got no way to find a lasting solution.

SampanViking said:

It means that having lost the China argument on Democracy and Economy, that the media have moved on to social cohesion as the main anti China weapon.

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I don't believe "the media" ever lost the argument on democracy (not sure what the economy argument was but never mind). The Chinese government defaulted by refusing to have the debate in the first place or just repeating a few lines of propaganda.

There is no widespread anti-China effort, just one of countering the Chinese government's propaganda. The article raises a serious issue that has been ignored too long in China by the authorities.

RC, you support the fact the government took days to send reinforcements in to the point where Han people decided to take matters into their own hands and start an Uighur hunt?

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Dude, what are you talking about? The whole thing was largely over within 24 hours. It only took 1 day for reinforcements to move in.
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Now I don't do my news online and thus I don't read BBC often. Maybe things have changed for BBC and maybe people I have spoken to don't know enough, but after reading those 2 articles, especially the Tinder Box, there is no way I am reading BBC, not for a long time. I am part Hakka, and let's just say the article was wrong...... really really wrong.

sumdud said:

Dude, what are you talking about? The whole thing was largely over within 24 hours. It only took 1 day for reinforcements to move in.

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It wasn't largely over within 24 hours. It kicked off on 5th, with the "armed" Han mob taking to the streets on 7th. The big show of force didn't happen until after that, but in any case the Han certainly didn't feel there were enough personnel there to protect them.

Now I don't do my news online and thus I don't read BBC often. Maybe things have changed for BBC and maybe people I have spoken to don't know enough, but after reading those 2 articles, especially the Tinder Box, there is no way I am reading BBC, not for a long time. I am part Hakka, and let's just say the article was wrong...... really really wrong.

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First, why do you think that it is so wrong? (It isn't about Hakka so not sure why you raised that.)

Second, there's an important note at the end.

"Dru Gladney is a China expert and president of the Pacific Basin Institute at Pomona College in California."

This was, as far as I can see, mostly/all a piece by an academic.

Mr T said:

RC, you support the fact the government took days to send reinforcements in to the point where Han people decided to take matters into their own hands and start an Uighur hunt?



I think there's certainly been a lot of papering over the cracks in Chinese society in the past. When times were good it was often possible to ignore these problems but with the economic crisis and jobs being harder to come by they came up to the surface.

Question is, is there going to be a hard look at these problems and a solution thought up, or will a big stick just be waived that will just push things down until they explode next time? It's worrying that as usual foreigners are being blamed for the trouble - if you're in denial about the cause of the event then you've got no way to find a lasting solution.



I don't believe "the media" ever lost the argument on democracy (not sure what the economy argument was but never mind). The Chinese government defaulted by refusing to have the debate in the first place or just repeating a few lines of propaganda.

There is no widespread anti-China effort, just one of countering the Chinese government's propaganda. The article raises a serious issue that has been ignored too long in China by the authorities.

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The result of this countering of Chinese government's propaganda is a widespread anti chinese propaganda effort nonetheless, and it have a very strong opposite effect than intended, cuz they overdone it and overdone it by way too much, to the degree than I can even say they arent much better than the chinese goverment propaganda, just in the opposite way.