Western Media bias against China

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Not aimed at no one particulary

Does everyone understand propaganda is used by all sides. When people hear about propaganda they usually visual propaganda in nazi germany as true biased, which is not entirely correct. However the best propaganda has an element truth for example i read a news report a week ago stating americans 34% see Iran as their biggest threat also another more global stating Iran as having the most negative influence in the world. This shows that in the past couple of years Iran has been in the media constantly recieveing negative news or Bad publictiy

Hence i am trying to say is that the western or any media esp European media which is wrongly (debatable) seen as more open and trustworthy. Can easily portray nations as negative and a threat because there is certain truth to label a nation as a threat(stated above) if certain sections of society wanted to label China as a global threat they could easily do it because China is rising politically, military and economically.

In other words the western media could not call E.g Benin(In Africa) a imminent global threat, because most people have not heard of it.

( I will try to find source for Iran survey but if you heard similiar statements please do not hesitate to validate my source).

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Baibar of Jalat said:

Not aimed at no one particulary

Does everyone understand propaganda is used by all sides. When people hear about propaganda they usually visual propaganda in nazi germany as true biased, which is not entirely correct. However the best propaganda has an element truth for example i read a news report a week ago stating americans 34% see Iran as their biggest threat also another more global stating Iran as having the most negative influence in the world. This shows that in the past couple of years Iran has been in the media constantly recieveing negative news or Bad publictiy

Hence i am trying to say is that the western or any media esp European media which is wrongly (debatable) seen as more open and trustworthy. Can easily portray nations as negative and a threat because there is certain truth to label a nation as a threat(stated above) if certain sections of society wanted to label China as a global threat they could easily do it because China is rising politically, military and economically.

In other words the western media could not call E.g Benin(In Africa) a imminent global threat, because most people have not heard of it.

( I will try to find source for Iran survey but if you heard similiar statements please do not hesitate to validate my source).

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That is why I find it so hard to trust the media. We're not trying to say thet one side uses less propaganda than the other, but that we should be wary of our news sources, and scan things with our own radars, and not just midlessly believe what we are spoonfed on the radio and telivision every day, like most people do.

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Roger604 said:

This feeling of superiority is most noticable in western countries, especially English-speaking countries. The way this is manifested is that western media portrays the west as the single enlightened and advanced civilization on earth....

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Isn't there a certain East Asian nation that harps on about the fact it has "5,000 years" of history? And people from there talk about how it will dominate the 21st century, out-perform all other countries, etc?

Again, I'd have to say that such a statement as yours is BS. "The West" doesn't exist. You may be talking about America, but that does not include Europe. And in Europe there is a great deal of introspection, more than you can find in China, Korea, Japan, etc.

It's funny when I think of stereotyping because there's no bigger stereotype than lumping everyone from the US, Canada, UK, France, Germany, the rest of Europe, Australia, etc all together and calling them "Westerners", saying they're all the same, etc. We think very differently and often have disagreements. But of course it's easier just to say that we're all against country X because we're from THE WEST and have a stick up our arses.......

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Baibar of Jalat said:

also another more global stating Iran as having the most negative influence in the world.

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DPRKPTboat said:

We're not trying to say thet one side uses less propaganda than the other, but that we should be wary of our news sources, and scan things with our own radars and not just midlessly believe what we are spoonfed on the radio and telivision every day, like most people do.

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Which is a fair enough statement. But at the same time, you can't be a complete sceptic. The media in Europe, for example, is some of the freest in the world - Reporters without Borders is a useful example of that. Not to say that it is unbiased. Everyone in the world is biased in some way. But at least there is the wide spectrum of discussion to choose from. That way you can compare and contrast "news" a lot more easily than in many other countries.

However I'd suggest you not take a cheap shot at people that you don't personally know :china:

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I hope you're not equating freedom of intellectual excercise to unbiasness. Just because a person perceives himself to be free doesn't mean his brain is the most pristine shit ever. On the contrary, when you look at the US media, most of the morons have no fucking clue about what they're talking about. Lou Dobb rings a bell? His entire understanding of economics is based on extremist interpretations of supply side economics that fly in the face of classical economics, which he professes to be an ardent supporter of. Then there is Bill Gertz. A man with a high school diploma, yet writes for the Washington Post and is one of the more widely quoted "experts" on the Chinese military, although he doesn't read or speak one word of Chinese and probably doesn't even understand modern warfare. Let's not even get started with NewsMax and, say, the Psycho Bitch Ann Coulter.

To put it shortly, freedom does not mean a lack of agenda, and the presence of an agenda is to throw unbiasness out the window in favor of some influence, and because most people in America are so clueless, in regards to economics or military or even history, they fall prey to such tactics, yet because they are clueless, they PERCEIVE themselves to be under unbiased guidance and such.

Democracy is sweet because the process of decay is almost invisible to the general public, which, in all cases, is an uneducated mob.

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That is why I find it so hard to trust the media. We're not trying to say thet one side uses less propaganda than the other, but that we should be wary of our news sources, and scan things with our own radars, and not just midlessly believe what we are spoonfed on the radio and telivision every day, like most people do

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Most people usually watch one main news programme a day because they are working, education or just lifestyle. thus it restricts them so it is impossible to analyse more then one source, which historians always have to do everyime when researching.

You are right to scepitical but most information in the news is true but the way it is present can cause problems.

I leave u with this. Sir Winston Churchill once humourously quiped " History is gonna be kind to me because i intend to write it"

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vincelee said:

I hope you're not equating freedom of intellectual excercise to unbiasness.

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Well if you'd bothered to read my post you would have seen that I wasn't

"The media in Europe, for example, is some of the freest in the world - Reporters without Borders is a useful example of that. Not to say that it is unbiased. Everyone in the world is biased in some way."

On the contrary, when you look at the US media...

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Uhuh, and what about the non-US media? Because there are other democratic countries with a half-decent media, you know.

Democracy is sweet because the process of decay is almost invisible to the general public, which, in all cases, is an uneducated mob.

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Ah, so I suppose that's why there tends to be so much discussion of a nation's problems in democratic countries, whereas in autocratic or dictatorial ones such discussion can be prohibited or restricted.....

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why is discussion carried by a mob even needed when action is a much more suitable course of action?

I didn't realize that you were talking about European media, of which I have little experience outside of BBC, which I favor, so excuse me.

Mind you, I realize that the Chinese system has major flaws, but I do not see democracy as the ultimate goal of social progress, and I get fed up once in a while when people would use democracy as an almost religious criteria.

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vincelee said:

why is discussion carried by a mob even needed when action is a much more suitable course of action?

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Ok, I realise what you mean now. Democracy does not mean the people are consulted on every issue. But it ensures that they can have a say over how their country progresses.

I didn't realize that you were talking about European media, of which I have little experience outside of BBC, which I favor, so excuse me.

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No problem.

I realize that the Chinese system has major flaws, but I do not see democracy as the ultimate goal of social progress, and I get fed up once in a while when people would use democracy as an almost religious criteria.

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But what else is there? "Benevolant dictatorship/autocracy" is even worse. It's ridiculous for people to present democracy as some perfect system. But as Churchill said it's the least worst. Until human beings can figure out how to be less selfish then we can't do much better. Democracy should be seen as a goal to reach, rather than something you can just declare overnight.

And I'm not saying you do, but I get fed up when people try to attack democracy in order to make a crummy system in another country seem less worse.