video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.

bladerunner said:

Thats strange because the video i posted in post 11 which is the first incident clearly shows the japanese boat having come from the chinese boat's right side (look at the wake). The chinese boat was not making any evasive action to starboard, which it is required to do, but continues to go straight.

In the second incident while the japanese boat is on the left and ahead and the chinese boat swerves to the left side to hit it. Popeyes is of the opinion that the Chinese boat is at fault with this as well. Actually if you look at post 11 you will see the two incidences and the time frame in relation to each other in which they occured.

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Both times the Chinese boat came in contact with the Japanese warship, the warship was to the left of the fishing boat. If someone cut in front of you where are you supposed to maneouver, to the right, possibly hitting the vessel if it was not going fast enough or to the left, also possibly hitting the vessel. To me it seemed that the Japanese ship was going fast enough to avoid a collision, but they slowed down to try to bully the fishing boat into stopping or swerving. Too bad for them that the Chinese held their course and by the time the first bump happened the Japanese were the ones on the left hand side, and so by "law" were the ones at fault for not giving way by gunning their engines to try to get out of the fishing boat's path.

Actually, I think the entire scenario lasted for 40mins, but we are only shown 3 to 4 minutes of the incident whereby the two ships hitted... thus there really is no conclusive information unless we saw the entirety incident.

First off... there really is no way for us to know why the chinese trawler was travelling straight when it was in an obvious course of collision with the Japanese patrol boat... irregardless of whether the Japanese steered into the Chinese's trawler's way or not.

Of course I am not pointing fingers at either party...

Due to the fact that there are still a huge question on many suspicious points that I doubt any of us would ever know unless we actually witness the entirety 40+minutes in which the incident took place rather than debating on just the 3 to 4 minutes footage that the Japanese chose to release.

i think it's extremely important the true footage and the entire of it were plotted into a diagram and investigated properly. however honestly, while i felt strongly that the japanese were pulling tight maneuvers around the trawler, i start to believe that the captain was to blame for his own actions too of ill avoiding the collision.

xywdx said:

Are you seriously suggesting that a Chinese fishing trawler chased down 2 Japanese naval vessels and rammed them?

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No, I'm indicating that the videos show the trawler on two occasions making port turns to put itself on to a collision course. There was no need to "chase" the CG ships as they were already near to each other.

airsuperiority said:

i think it's extremely important the true footage and the entire of it were plotted into a diagram and investigated properly. however honestly, while i felt strongly that the japanese were pulling tight maneuvers around the trawler, i start to believe that the captain was to blame for his own actions too of ill avoiding the collision.

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You are missing the point here. As far as the the Captain is concerned he is inside Chinese waters and the Japanese have no right to harass him and certainly no right to arrest him and his crew.

Mr T said:

No, I'm indicating that the videos show the trawler on two occasions making port turns to put itself on to a collision course. There was no need to "chase" the CG ships as they were already near to each other.

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Why are they near each other in the first place? Why did they tell the fishing boat to stop? To illegally board or detain is clearly a threat (similar to piracy) and some people do not take this kind of harassment and intimidation lying down.

Got to LOL at the Youtube China Bashing comments. That video would be spammed to death with Pro-China comments If youtube was not banned in Mainland China. :china:

nameless said:

Why are they near each other in the first place?

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We know why they became near to each other. The fact is that the Chinese trawler is on at least two occasions shown as having deliberately turned to hit a Japanese CG vessel. That is what we are discussing here. People wanted to see evidence of the allegations originally brought against the Chinese captain, and it has now been provided.

Mr T said:

We know why they became near to each other. The fact is that the Chinese trawler is on at least two occasions shown as having deliberately turned to hit a Japanese CG vessel. That is what we are discussing here. People wanted to see evidence of the allegations originally brought against the Chinese captain, and it has now been provided.

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has it? What we saw is the final moments at which the trawler rammed into Japanese CG... 3 to 4 minutes of footage. But the entire incident happen in 40+minutes. You cannot just dismiss the Chinese by looking at the final moments whereby the Chinese had hit the Japanese CG.

Also we cannot say that the CHinese are not at fault. Because the evidence are seriously lacking. There are always these questions when something was done...

1) Motive?
and,
2) Cause

For example, when you watch a clip release from the prosecutor when he brought a suspect to court, whereby the crime was that the suspect had bashed his client up... and the clip showed exactly that... but was the suspect really at fault here?

If the incident spanned a total of half an hour and the clips showed only a few minutes, just showing the suspect bashing the client up. However, the actual story (which the prosecutor had conveniently left out) might be that his client had illegally entered the suspect house, armed and wanted to rob the suspect. And the suspect had young children in that house. So the most logical thing to do is to defend his children like any parents would do thus he attack the client of the prosecutor.

Sounds familiar?

Well... this example can also be used on this incident... the Japanese are not showing the whole entirety of the incident. There might be alot of provocative actions before the ramming of the trawler against the coast guard ship... the trawler might be damaged already and so had lost control of the steering later on, or many other things that we do not see.

So don't judge by a single 3+minute footage from the Japanese side and came to the conclusion that the Chinese is wrong. Likewise, do not just listen to what the CHinese captain had said and said that the Japanese are wrong.

When we pass out judgement or sentense, we look at all evidences... which of course we do not have now. And I doubt anyone here would have.

If you are a fisherman, then your boat is your primary asset.

No way is someone going to deliberately damage that asset as not only is there an immediate risk to life and limb both in the incident itself and when crossing water to reach a home port, but the cost and time of repair is of itself prohibitive.

It is; in most instances, far cheaper to pay a fine and lose your catch than risk your boat!!

Mr T said:

We know why they became near to each other. The fact is that the Chinese trawler is on at least two occasions shown as having deliberately turned to hit a Japanese CG vessel. That is what we are discussing here. People wanted to see evidence of the allegations originally brought against the Chinese captain, and it has now been provided.

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There is no way the trawler can chase the Japanese or was trying to, it was the opposite. Their allegation is invalid in Chinese waters, unless you subscribe to the Japanese POV that only their laws apply.