video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.

rhino123 said:

has it? What we saw is the final moments at which the trawler rammed into Japanese CG... 3 to 4 minutes of footage. But the entire incident happen in 40+minutes. You cannot just dismiss the Chinese by looking at the final moments whereby the Chinese had hit the Japanese CG.

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If the captain had said something like "after being chased for x period of time, I got angry and decided to teach the Japanese coastguard a lesson" or "my rudder jamed and I was originally too ashamed to admit that I caused the accident", I might not judge him too harshly. But he hasn't.

All I have is footage that shows the Chinese boat turned into the CG ships. I'm not going to say the captain was a violent thug, a spy or whatever, but unless I hear a direct explanation from him or his representatives, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also it's not true that only a snippet of footage is available. As far as I know there are several videos, more like half an hour in total.

SampanViking said:

No way is someone going to deliberately damage that asset

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Sure, if you're dispassionate and acting rationally. Fishermen are human and do irrational things, just like the rest of us.

Mr T said:

If the captain had said something like "after being chased for x period of time, I got angry and decided to teach the Japanese coastguard a lesson" or "my rudder jamed and I was originally too ashamed to admit that I caused the accident", I might not judge him too harshly. But he hasn't.

All I have is footage that shows the Chinese boat turned into the CG ships. I'm not going to say the captain was a violent thug, a spy or whatever, but unless I hear a direct explanation from him or his representatives, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also it's not true that only a snippet of footage is available. As far as I know there are several videos, more like half an hour in total.



Sure, if you're dispassionate and acting rationally. Fishermen are human and do irrational things, just like the rest of us.

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It was no accident, the Japanese deliberately tried to stop the trawler and board it, which they did eventually. The reason he was detained was because of their application of Japanese laws. This is illegal as far as Chinese laws are concerned, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Humans can be irrational sometimes, but the trawler's mechanical capability is not negotiable. I still don't know how the argument that the trawler chased down the CG vessels holds water. The trawler too slow in comparison with the CG vessels.

nameless said:

This is illegal as far as Chinese laws are concerned, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

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So you're admitting he did deliberately ram the CG vessels and that it was no accident?

UCSDAE said:

Humans can be irrational sometimes, but the trawler's mechanical capability is not negotiable. I still don't know how the argument that the trawler chased down the CG vessels holds water. The trawler too slow in comparison with the CG vessels.

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Who here has said the trawler "chased down" the CG vessels? It was being observed at close proximity whilst being called on to stop - the CG vessels weren't trying to run away from it.

at around 1 minute 6 seconds shows the trawler make a port turn into the CG vessel that was sailing next to it. The CG vessel had no opportunity to move out of the way.

Then there's showing the trawler at 40 seconds onwards showing the trawler making another port turn to hit a CG ship in its stern.

There's no confusion, it's clear that the trawler makes two turns to hit the CG ship(s).

Mr T said:

If the captain had said something like "after being chased for x period of time, I got angry and decided to teach the Japanese coastguard a lesson" or "my rudder jamed and I was originally too ashamed to admit that I caused the accident", I might not judge him too harshly. But he hasn't.

All I have is footage that shows the Chinese boat turned into the CG ships. I'm not going to say the captain was a violent thug, a spy or whatever, but unless I hear a direct explanation from him or his representatives, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also it's not true that only a snippet of footage is available. As far as I know there are several videos, more like half an hour in total.



Sure, if you're dispassionate and acting rationally. Fishermen are human and do irrational things, just like the rest of us.

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actually in the show that i watched, it's been claimed by the crew members that the first occurred.

Here I included 2 screenshots of the video I saw. I was surprised no one mentioned these. Look at the trails. It's a very important evidence of what was occurring won't it? The links of the video were included deliberately so you can go trace to that video yourself, as well as the mark of the frame.

Mr T said:

So you're admitting he did deliberately ram the CG vessels and that it was no accident?



Who here has said the trawler "chased down" the CG vessels? It was being observed at close proximity whilst being called on to stop - the CG vessels weren't trying to run away from it.

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at around 1 minute 6 seconds shows the trawler make a port turn into the CG vessel that was sailing next to it. The CG vessel had no opportunity to move out of the way.

Then there's

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showing the trawler at 40 seconds onwards showing the trawler making another port turn to hit a CG ship in its stern.

There's no confusion, it's clear that the trawler makes two turns to hit the CG ship(s).

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No, but he has every right to do so if he was threatened. How long was the Japanese vessel chasing the trawler? How much time is that to move away?

Mr T said:

So you're admitting he did deliberately ram the CG vessels and that it was no accident?

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No but he has every right to do so if he was threatened illegally and break free from capture. How long was the Japanese chasing the trawler? That is plenty of time to move away.

airsuperiority said:

Here I included 2 screenshots of the video I saw. I was surprised no one mentioned these. Look at the trails. It's a very important evidence of what was occurring won't it?

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They're not significant because the videos that the screenshots were taken from show the trawler making a port turn to collide with the CG ship, instead of turning to starboard, which would have avoided a hit.

Mr T said:

They're not significant because the videos that the screenshots were taken from show the trawler making a port turn to collide with the CG ship, instead of turning to starboard, which would have avoided a hit.

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Actually those screenshots were provided by me not to support a particular side of the argument, but for observation. If we have an experienced person who can watch those videos in the screenshot and calculate the speed and the turns, then we can examine what could have been options which were possible at the time to prevent the collision, of if it was already too late.

Also judging from the close proximity of the trails, we can tell the Japanese made extremely tight maneuvers.

However given what we see, it definitely is true that a move to the starboard may have averted the collision.

Objectively speaking, the Senkaku issue is one thing, but if you're sailing you still have the responsibility to avoid collisions and maintain the well-being of your vessel and your crew (sorry I have 0 knowledge of how things are conducted on the water, so these are my wild guesses). It's no doubt that the Japanese patrols are aggressive, but this time from what I see, there's not much supportive evidence to defend the captain's actions, therefore even I won't deny that the captain is wrong for his part and it should only be right he accepts his fair portion of the mistakes. As for any compensations, why the HECK is the Japanese asking that from the Chinese government? If they don't want to make it big, they should ask that from the captain. So what if he can't pay? The idea is not to link it into political spectrum. If any, this would be the only wise thing to do to preserve the terribly-scratched bilateral relationship.

Honestly,while I usually try to find material on my own that offers a more objective story and discredit official reports (especially those from the West), this time it's inevitable that we must admit this guy screwed up. I don't see any legit explanations that could explain why the captain turned port instead of starboard.