US radar at chengdu?

Well whatever the cause of the incident she will not be flying a sitting Chinese head of state. For the moment when traveling abroad they use a Boeing 747-4J8 and will likely continue to unless they really wanted to impress. In which case Air China does own a number of airbus 380

Spying is not like James Bond. I haven't studied it a lot but reading and seeing documentaries there's a common theme that when it comes to agents on the ground like in places like China where it's basically relegated to what they can do in embassies and consulates. There's not a lot of secret agents getting covertly in and out of places. How many Chinese ethnicity intelligence agents do you think the US has? I bet it's something around zero. You hear how the US has trouble translating documents in Arabic or Chinese. Why is that when the US is a melting pot? It's as simple as intelligence agencies don't trust people that just come off the street. The CIA origins had a culture where they could only trust rich American families to be recruited as agents because they thought the most loyal Americans were the ones that had a stake in the US's well-being. I remember reading an article I think was around the Valarie Plame scandal that foreign agents that the US recruits are not trustworthy in the first place because they are essentially being bribed into serving the US and not motivated by political ideology. And these people make up most of the "ground" intelligence not James Bond-type secret agents. What the US does excel at is electronic intelligence gathering which the Edward Snowden scandal basically confirms. Is there a US consulate in Chengdu? If so I think it's a given it's being to used to spy just like every other consulate and embassy of every other country. If there's no consulate, I imagine the government can easily shut them down and arrest those involved if that were the case. Look at the foreign surveyors caught in China all the time. I remember during the 80s in San Francisco the Soviet consulate was located on top of Nob Hill I believe where supposedly it had a perfect view of the Golden Gate Bridge. There was a lot of surveillance equipment spotted on the roof and they were using it to monitor naval ships especially submarines coming and going from US naval bases located in the Bay Area at that time. The US could basically do nothing because it was Soviet territory.

Mace you yourself have on any number of occasions defended and argued blindly for Asian and particularly Chinese Americans, I remind you that its very likely not all of them have or share your point of view. Even among the ethnic Chinese of this very website I am betting there are members and ho have and do serve in the American military not the PLA. I will not speculate about numbers of possible CIA operatives of Chinese descent other then to say my bet is far higher then zero.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Mace you yourself have on any number of occasions defended and argued blindly for Asian and particularly Chinese Americans, I remind you that its very likely not all of them have or share your point of view. Even among the ethnic Chinese of this very website I am betting there are members and ho have and do serve in the American military not the PLA. I will not speculate about numbers of possible CIA operatives of Chinese descent other then to say my bet is far higher then zero.

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Well you're assuming a lot and only in black and white. I don't blindly protect any Asian or Chinese Americans. I in fact know I'm a minority in my views here and abroad. I think for myself and I know that gets one into trouble even here in the US. What's preventing Chinese ethnic agents in the CIA or any intelligence agency is the intelligence agencies themselves. You want to read into it as something racially political. Look at the number of spies caught said to be working for China. How many of them are from US ally Taiwan? You can see why US intelligence agencies have a mistrust. By that you can easily see a conclusion that the US doesn't have a lot of Chinese ethnic agents working for intelligence agencies. If they have trouble translating documents because they won't hire Chinese ethnic translators, anyone can easily conclude they won't hire Chinese ethnic agents for even more sensitive jobs.


I can bring up again the Frontline documentary, From China with Love. In mentions China is way ahead in the person to person intelligence game simply because the US basically has no one working for them in China. Look at the romanticized version people use to think spying is like James Bond. Tom Clancy even played on the idea that American or Western agents can easily recruit Chinese citizens to spy for the US. In reality it's the other way around where in many cases it's charged China sends women to turn American men.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Mace you yourself have on any number of occasions defended and argued blindly for Asian and particularly Chinese Americans, I remind you that its very likely not all of them have or share your point of view. Even among the ethnic Chinese of this very website I am betting there are members and ho have and do serve in the American military not the PLA. I will not speculate about numbers of possible CIA operatives of Chinese descent other then to say my bet is far higher then zero.

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Rather its you that blindly defend the interest of western and American. None of your view and post has anything positive about China. I think Mace sum up very well. Recruiting a Chinese agent is highly impossible given the little trust they place on Asian. Device intelligence gathering is the best bet US can get.

Is it that hard to imagine US bugging consultant and plane goven the recent buss and relegation by some high profile cases?

i.e. said:

the bug was implanted on by some senior PLA officials. renegade group.

btw those 767s are still in service with airchina.

B767-300(ER) with CF6-80C2B6F tail number B-2499, for those who are uninitiated... those engines are monsters...biggest on a 767 ER

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I seriously doubt your source. Much of it is pure nonsense.

Actually he is correct on the tail number model type the only part you should be saying is nonsense is the first paragraph.
well lion I tried and this is the last I post on this subject. But since you seem to like allegory's here one for you.

It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a man was on the stoop of his house and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the man on the stoop to get in and he'd save him. The man on the stoop said, no, he had faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising and the man had to go to the second floor of his house. A man in a motor boat came by and told the man in the house to get in because he had come to rescue him. The man in the house said no thank you. He had perfect faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the man's roof and he got out on the roof. A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in the man in the house to climb up the rope because the helicopter had come to rescue him. The man in the house wouldn't get in. He told the pilot that he had faith in God and would wait for God to rescue him. The flood waters kept rising and the man in the house drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God where he went wrong. He told God that he had perfect faith in God, but God had let him drown.
"What more do you want from me?" asked God. "I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

basicly if the Chinese were worried about listening devices, why did they not take the plane to China and outfit her themselves?

kroko said:

With all the recente scandal about hidden listening antenas built in US embassies and consulates, could it be possible that the US had installed a radar or something else in its chengdu consulate to monitor testflights at CAC airfield? I mean, chengdu is one of the locations that snowden has said that has a US listening devices. Could it be possible?

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So what if US Intelligence install radars in our embassies and consulates? Embassies and Consulates are considered sovereign national territory.

no_name said:

I remembered during the third Taiwan strait crisis a PLA major general did passed intelligence on to Taiwan and that's how they come to find out that the missiles fired did not have warheads on them. The guy was later found out and executed. So it could happen but probably a lot harder now.

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What was the name of the MG?

I only know China tested the missiles but warheads were off course due to interference of GPS guidance by US. That prompted China to develop its own Beidou system.