US radar at chengdu?

TerraN_EmpirE said:

first it was a 767 second I always question that report because the Chinese sent it to the USA for out fitting in the first place. I mean they could probably have done it in china or paid the Russians who do it for Putin's command post one. I mean its like they were offering it up. And then they never followed it up. They claimed the bugs sent the bird back to service for air china and then never tried again to do the same on there own. Seems more likely they realized that they could just do what they ended up doing using air china 747s for cheaper well scoring cheap propaganda points

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The problem is the US never outright rebuked that accusation. And usually China seldom make random accusation especially against another countries unless provoked first.

There is also another case of Australian intelligent try to bug China embassy in Australia and was caught red handed. That accusation was also never denied by Australia. In fact, they try to tuck it under table and not to talk about it.

Its rare to get a higher up to turn like that but the rank and file are Another story. They are often looked down on and a disgruntled employee looking for revenge is fare game. As for the invasion plans I know in the case of one incident in the cold war where the CIA was processing documents on a soviet crack down in Poland. The CIA had the full plans for the implementation of martial law right from the hand of the officer who wrote the plan. He later defected. He was a ranking officer mind you. One of the rare cases of such.

Lion said:

The problem is the US never outright rebuked that accusation. And usually China seldom make random accusation especially against another countries unless provoked first.

There is also another case of Australian intelligent try to bug China embassy in Australia and was caught red handed. That accusation was also never denied by Australia. In fact, they try to tuck it under table and not to talk about it.

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there is a hidden language to international politics lion some times a no is a yes and some times the truth is a outright lie. China made the claim, us media reported it. Is it possible they did bug?absolutely I don't question if they did or thought they did I question why the Chinese sent the bird to be out fitted in the us and then suddenly complained about the possibility of spying.. Its like that seen in Casablanca. " my god there is gambling going on here! I am shocked utterly shocked!" says the corrupt police chief right before the waiter asks him what he would like done with his winnings.

I remembered during the third Taiwan strait crisis a PLA major general did passed intelligence on to Taiwan and that's how they come to find out that the missiles fired did not have warheads on them. The guy was later found out and executed. So it could happen but probably a lot harder now.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

there is a hidden language to international politics lion some times a no is a yes and some times the truth is a outright lie. China made the claim, us media reported it. Is it possible they did bug?absolutely I don't question if they did or thought they did I question why the Chinese sent the bird to be out fitted in the us and then suddenly complained about the possibility of spying.. Its like that seen in Casablanca. " my god there is gambling going on here! I am shocked utterly shocked!" says the corrupt police chief right before the waiter asks him what he would like done with his winnings.

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I find it even more ridiculous you shift the blame to China for sending plane for repair or outfit. Since American is the original maker , what's wrong for China sending back to US for the servicing.. China ask for servicing, not for bugging.

You try to say, China is the bad guy for sending plane back to the original maker and they ask for it to be bug?

While American absolutely not fault for bugging the plane becos China asked for it? American is an angel that will never spy on others(Oh, Snowden relevation must be some lies planned by the Chinese). If US bug on other, its not wrong. Others bug on US is wrong.

Is it that hard to believe US bug on others? You want to ask the European and Australian of their opinion of US about recent big fuss of what's happen? Or you think US bugging on others is absolutely, right? US stands on a moral ground, others dont, no matter what they do? Or yeh, whatever US report is correct. Whatever report by China is wrong. Is that your conclusion? China is a evil scheming country , US is the rightful world police, whatever she do , is the work of angel.. Happy?

Lion said:

I find it even more ridiculous you shift the blame to China for sending plane for repair or outfit. Since American is the original maker , what's wrong for China sending back to US for the servicing.. China ask for servicing, not for bugging.

You try to say, China is the bad guy for sending plane back to the original maker and they ask for it to be bug?

While American absolutely not fault for bugging the plane becos China asked for it? American is an angel that will never spy on others(Oh, Snowden relevation must be some lies planned by the Chinese). If US bug on other, its not wrong. Others bug on US is wrong.

Is it that hard to believe US bug on others? You want to ask the European and Australian of their opinion of US about recent big fuss of what's happen? Or you think US bugging on others is absolutely, right? US stands on a moral ground, others dont, no matter what they do? Or yeh, whatever US report is correct. Whatever report by China is wrong. Is that your conclusion? China is a evil scheming country , US is the rightful world police, whatever she do , is the work of angel.. Happy?

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I think he's trying to say that either everyone's a bad guy or no one's a bad guy. It seems silly to try to claim moral superiority when everyone seems to be in on the less than noble rules of the "game". Of course, moral indignation is absolutely required when it comes to your image with the general public.

latenlazy said:

I think he's trying to say that either everyone's a bad guy or no one's a bad guy. It seems silly to try to claim moral superiority when everyone seems to be in on the less than noble rules of the "game". Of course, moral indignation is absolutely required when it comes to your image with the general public.

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But don't you think its super ridiculous to blame China for sending the plane back to US for servicing? Mind you, its commercial passenger plane and the maker is US. Its not even a military plane. China place good trust on the maker and they failed it.

Questioning China motive to send back the plane is outright stupid. Sure, China can service the plane but at higher cost and more time and worst void the warranty. The American break the trust and goodwill of the Chinese, full stop.

If he is suggesting China set a trap for US. Then US is stupid to fall for it.

I find utter disgust of thinking everything China do has an outright motive. On yes, sending a commercial passenger plane back to its country of origin is some evil motive to lure US into making mistake so China evil scheme of caught US red handed will be knowned. Yah, China is so evil with such motive for making US bugging China. The fault is not with US. Its fault for China sending it back in the first place...

Oh Yah, three gorges dam and olympic 2008 are also some evil scheme China planned to conquer the world. There must be some outright motive that Terranempire shall able to called out and exposed the evil Chinese... Everything Chinese do is always with motive. Nothing good.

A beautiful lady being raped is not the fault of the rapist. The fault lies in the lady being too beautiful, the rapist shall be acquited . The verdict is a woman shall not be beautiful becos it will tempt the man to do wrong things. Sure Terranempire will agreed with this sentence.

Lion this Boeing 767 300er was bought from a cancelled order of delta air lines openly the PRC then signed a contract with a San Antonio,Tx based furnishing company that normally does corporate jets. They did this openly and extravagantly. Gold plated toilets, silk, exotic hard wood full VVIP accommodations worthy of a head of state of a powerful nation.
its function was blatant. Yet are you telling me that at no time during the negotiations, ordering or contracting that took place before the final signing of the paperwork did some official in the group assigned the task stop and say "you know guys, the USA just caught like three of our spies here you think, I don't know there might be some kind of security risk?"
if they did not think of that before making the buy it was incompetence. If they did it was intended. In either case I am not placing blame I am to busy laughing at the hypocrisy and idiocy of it all. Even if the Chinese government never found a single bug they would have had to have said that they did. Even if the CIA never planted a single device the Chinese would have had to logically deduce that the plane was as bug infested as a cheap Manhattan apartment building. Its a Cretans paradox.
because the us government spies on China the Chinese have to assume its bugged. Because the US spies on China. Because the Us spies on china the us has to have
bugged the plane.
now because of counter espionage the Chinese have to be looking for bugs, but if they found none they have to convince American intelligence that they have the capability to find American bugs in order to prevent American intelligence from feeling they have a advantage.

no_name said:

I remembered during the third Taiwan strait crisis a PLA major general did passed intelligence on to Taiwan and that's how they come to find out that the missiles fired did not have warheads on them. The guy was later found out and executed. So it could happen but probably a lot harder now.

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The funny thing is that a lot of Taiwanese officers, especially from the Air Force, are getting busted as PLA spies lately, and when they do it is pretty big news. Guess some people join just for the money, which isn't that much from what I've heard..

the bug was implanted on by some senior PLA officials. renegade group.

btw those 767s are still in service with airchina.

B767-300(ER) with CF6-80C2B6F tail number B-2499, for those who are uninitiated... those engines are monsters...biggest on a 767 ER