US radar at chengdu?

kroko

Senior Member
With all the recente scandal about hidden listening antenas built in US embassies and consulates, could it be possible that the US had installed a radar or something else in its chengdu consulate to monitor testflights at CAC airfield? I mean, chengdu is one of the locations that snowden has said that has a US listening devices. Could it be possible?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
With all the recente scandal about hidden listening antenas built in US embassies and consulates, could it be possible that the US had installed a radar or something else in its chengdu consulate to monitor testflights at CAC airfield? I mean, chengdu is one of the locations that snowden has said that has a US listening devices. Could it be possible?

If they did the Chinese government would know. Unless the radar was a LPI low probability of interception type any radar would be broadcasting on a range that the Chinese would detect. Unless it was just a receiver in which case the Chinese would be broadcasting and the US would in that case be recording the radar frequencies. Its probably just paranoia, though the distance of the embassy from the airport would reduce any resolution. What data it does get is likely erratic and potentially scrambled as the Chinese likely have a ton of there own listening devices pointed at the embassy.
 

Lion

Senior Member
I remember US try to bug one of the B747 sold to China for Stateman but was found out easily and reveal to public.

I am sure any such espionage attempt can be easily discovered by China. China is by no means backward country.
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
With all the recente scandal about hidden listening antenas built in US embassies and consulates, could it be possible that the US had installed a radar or something else in its chengdu consulate to monitor testflights at CAC airfield? I mean, chengdu is one of the locations that snowden has said that has a US listening devices. Could it be possible?

I think it is easier to have under cover agents in the CAC for gathering RCS related info than installing a radar in the consulate. I think you under estimate the power consumption and the potential inconveniences like potential radiation hazards.
 

Hyperwarp

Captain
With all the recente scandal about hidden listening antenas built in US embassies and consulates, could it be possible that the US had installed a radar or something else in its chengdu consulate to monitor testflights at CAC airfield? I mean, chengdu is one of the locations that snowden has said that has a US listening devices. Could it be possible?

US probably has listening devices all over PRC along with a ton of CIA operatives. Some of em might be right inside the CAC hanger cleaning & painting the J-20 :eek:. But, installing RADAR? I seriously doubt it.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I remember US try to bug one of the B747 sold to China for Stateman but was found out easily and reveal to public.

I am sure any such espionage attempt can be easily discovered by China. China is by no means backward country.

first it was a 767 second I always question that report because the Chinese sent it to the USA for out fitting in the first place. I mean they could probably have done it in china or paid the Russians who do it for Putin's command post one. I mean its like they were offering it up. And then they never followed it up. They claimed the bugs sent the bird back to service for air china and then never tried again to do the same on there own. Seems more likely they realized that they could just do what they ended up doing using air china 747s for cheaper well scoring cheap propaganda points
 

vesicles

Colonel
US probably has listening devices all over PRC along with a ton of CIA operatives. Some of em might be right inside the CAC hanger cleaning & painting the J-20 :eek:. But, installing RADAR? I seriously doubt it.

Well, I'm not so sure about that. If the US had enough CIA operatives working in key facilities throughout China, they would have no problem knowing the progress of China's military modernization. However, the fact is no one in the west knows exactly where China is in terms of their weapons development, etc. hence the constant pecking on transparency. So I doubt it that the US has many operatives on the ground.

Additionally, the intelligence community in the US admits itself that one of the biggest weaknesses within the intelligence community in the wet is that they lack people on the ground. They become too dependent on technology, such as satellites, etc. if they can't even put enough agents on the ground in Mideast, how do they do it in China, which traditionally has been thought to be the most difficult to spy on?

About listening devices. I believe both China and the US do it to each other. It is a cat and mouse game. You put something in, and I will dig it out. And I put something in place and see if you can dig it up in time. While you spend time looking for it, I collect info... I don't think any side expects to have a listening post in place and thinks that his place will be safe for an extensive amount of time. Everyone knows that these places will be discovered eventually. They just hope that it can get something useful when it is still in place.
 
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i.e.

Senior Member
theoretically One could construct a giant faraday cage around the american embassy....haha, I am sure it does not violate any diplomatic protocals...
 

Rutim

Banned Idiot
Well, I'm not so sure about that. If the US had enough CIA operatives working in key facilities throughout China, they would have no problem knowing the progress of China's military modernization.
You'd have to get your man in a rank around commodore or higher working in Navy's HQ in exact section to get your hands on such plans. Nearly impossible. But remember that US got such materials as plans of Soviets invasion on Western Europe during Cold War so it certainly can happen. Great material for a movie which wouldn't be only fantasy btw.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
The CIA has done stranger things to collect intel before, but I think it'd be much smarter and easier to just bug CAC's facilities and bureaucratic offices if they wanted military secrets.
 
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