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MwRYum

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I don't know the reason that you continuously insisted on a "hurted pride" for China. The reality is a rising superpower, China, has established a position in South China Sea, where the reigning superpower, the US, couldn't remove short of war and staged a tour in the name of FoN to please its Asian allies and reenforce its influence. China is gaining in strategic terms for this geopolitical game and the situation in South China Sea is better than a stale-mate for China. For all the Chinese I know and observed, they aren't emotionally hurt for this incident at all, nor do they want the Chinese government to act particularly dramatic.

Of course, what the media said can always be entirely something else.
The reason is that on the overall politik side it changes nothing, but this time most of the attacks are on the media warfront - just look at the first 24 hours, the Western media were so egging it on and expecting massive protests marching down the US embassy in Beijing, but all they got, apart from the delayed response from the propaganda ministry, some hushed words online that the PLAN not aggressively ramming the USS Lassen, were but an old man doing a short-lived protest that got quickly whisked away by the police; 48 hours went by and without any successful escalation (even the announcement of the Japanese navy joining the round 2 FON op failed to rile things up) the Western media finally given up and by the 72nd hours, it was Syria back on the headline, SCS FON op failed to materialize as crisis and relegated to page 2.

The next tangible event now is the Admiral Harry Harris visit to Beijing on Nov 2nd-5th...it'd be interesting how it'll turns out .

So that's why I said the the Chinese does took a beating on the pride side, but other than that no tangible lost suffered.
 

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The reason is that on the overall politik side it changes nothing, but this time most of the attacks are on the media warfront....... So that's why I said the the Chinese does took a beating on the pride side, but other than that no tangible lost suffered.
Not reacting to the media's hype= Hurted pride?

And not acting dramatic= Hurted pride?

On the contrary, staying cool, holding your own, and countering with measured responses, is a clear display of maturity, confidence, intelligence, and you know what........ PRIDE.

Kudos China.
 

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The reason is that on the overall politik side it changes nothing, but this time most of the attacks are on the media warfront - just look at the first 24 hours, the Western media were so egging it on and expecting massive protests marching down the US embassy in Beijing, but all they got, apart from the delayed response from the propaganda ministry, some hushed words online that the PLAN not aggressively ramming the USS Lassen, were but an old man doing a short-lived protest that got quickly whisked away by the police; 48 hours went by and without any successful escalation (even the announcement of the Japanese navy joining the round 2 FON op failed to rile things up) the Western media finally given up and by the 72nd hours, it was Syria back on the headline, SCS FON op failed to materialize as crisis and relegated to page 2.

The next tangible event now is the Admiral Harry Harris visit to Beijing on Nov 2nd-5th...it'd be interesting how it'll turns out .

So that's why I said the the Chinese does took a beating on the pride side, but other than that no tangible lost suffered.

Meh, hotheaded youthful nationalists might have had their pride hurt, but they probably don't even know what the word geopolitics means, so who really cares.
 

MwRYum

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Not reacting to the media's hype= Hurted pride?

And not acting dramatic= Hurted pride?

On the contrary, staying cool, holding your own, and countering with measured responses, is a clear display of maturity, confidence, intelligence, and you know what........ PRIDE.

Kudos China.
You do remember how easy they bite down similar baits in the past, right? This time though, the Western world didn't get the reaction they counted on.
 

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There is very little reporting on this in America if you bothered to look at the news once in a while. The only people who heard this are the military and China followers. The point here is that this is a situation that could get a lot worse going forward and it's in both countries interest that they create some kind of military hotline and some kind of understanding so such public messages don't create unintended consequences.
 

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You do remember how easy they bite down similar baits in the past, right?
No, at least not recently. Loaded presumption as if they did, as in, "You do remember how easy you collapse in the past, right?"

This time though, the Western world didn't get the reaction they counted on.
Not just this time, for example, China stayed cool during Occupy Central in HK and let the annoyed citizens diffuse the movement instead.

And this is getting OT.
 

MwRYum

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There is very little reporting on this in America if you bothered to look at the news once in a while. The only people who heard this are the military and China followers. The point here is that this is a situation that could get a lot worse going forward and it's in both countries interest that they create some kind of military hotline and some kind of understanding so such public messages don't create unintended consequences.
That depends on at which point and when the US decides to call it a day and sail the fleet back to Yokosuka, Obama goes on White House press conference to deliver a message that'll be distil down to telling everyone to chill and prepare for Christmas, blah blah blah, and things back to normal at SCS...and perhaps see if PLAN gets a bigger piece of the defence budget in the 2016 fiscal year.

So long as the consensus between Beijing and Washington is for BOTH to walk off the firing line together, and everybody looking like million bucks all round, things will cool down eventually. Thing is, if both sides knows how to churn up the correct public message, we won't be stuck with this situation in the first place.
 

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From HK newspaper, MingPao, on 11/ 02/ 2015,

"中澳軍艦南海演練相遇規則"

Chinese (French) and Australian battleships practice encounter rules at the South China Sea

"據中新社消息,上周五(30日)中午,中國導彈護衛艦「運城號」及法國「葡月號」組成的艦艇編隊抵達演練海域,展開海上補給演練,隨後又以編隊齊轉、魚貫轉向等方式展開編隊運動演練。"

According to China News Service, last Friday (30th) at noon, ship formation consisting of the Chinese missile frigate "Yuncheng" and the French "Vendémiaire" arrived at the drills waters, conducted sealift exercise, followed by formation turn, serial turn, and other drills to conduct formation exercise practice.

"而澳洲皇家海軍「阿蘭塔號」(Arunta)及「斯圖爾特號」(Stuart)導彈護衛艦,上周六抵達湛江,開始對南海艦隊為期3天的訪問。兩國海軍官兵除互相參觀、交流聯誼外,還將圍繞《海上意外相遇規則》展開海上實兵演練。路透社報道,澳洲國防部長佩恩(Marise Payne)早前強調,澳洲海軍一直都與區內其他國家的海軍互訪港口及作軍演,不會因美艦巡南海而改變或押後原定行程。"

The Royal Australian Navy (Arunta) and (Stuart) guided missile frigate, arrived on Saturday in Zhanjiang, began a visit with the South China Sea Fleet for a period of 3 days. In addition to naval officers of the 2 nations visiting each other with friendly exchange, (they) would also focus on "Maritime accident encounter rules" and conduct maritime military exercise. Reuters reported that the Australian Defense Minister (Marise Payne) earlier stressed, that the Australian Navy and those with other countries in the region, have been visiting each others naval ports for exercise, wouldn't change or postpone scheduled plans, because of US battleships patrolling the South China Sea.

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China posted pictures of armed J-11 Flanker fighters operating from Woody Island located in the northern portion of the South China Sea. China has been totally remodeling its runway and aviation support facilities on the Parcel Islands outpost located about 200 miles south of Hainan Island, a project that appears to be complete.

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Deploying these fighters to Woody Island gives China an air defense and strike capability ranging from Taiwan’s Pratas Island to the north, to the majority of Vietnam to the west, to the Philippines in the east, and down towards China’s South China Sea island building projects in and near the Spratly Island archipelago. With aerial refueling, the J-11’s range increases, and this does not take into account standoff attack weaponry in the strike role.




Woody Island also serves as a Chinese port for naval, coast-guard and fishing vessels, as well as a signals intelligence collection point and radar station for the region. In total, it is a nerve center for surveillance of the northern portion of the South China Sea for the Chinese military. As such, the island is highly developed, with a large administration building, quality living facilities, a school and other accouterments for the roughly 1,000 people who live there. You can read about a see just how elaborate the facilities are on the island in
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The fact that China is now operating some of its most capable fighters from Woody Island after the remote locales’ aviation facilities were upgraded, even if temporarily, serves as a likely preview of what is to come
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. A similar runway facility is almost complete on
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, and once operational, it could allow China to provide a persistent air defense, strike, and maritime patrol capability that could span the southern half of the South China Sea. When paired with Woody Island, China could be able to patrol, and to some degree control, nearly the entire South China Sea.



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China isn't just expanding its military reach into the South China Sea, it's rapidly…
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This is all part of China’s
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a body of water that is one of the world’s most important shipping corridors and a rich fishing ground. It is also thought to have vast energy development potential. With all this in mind, it is more likely than not that we will see Chinese fighter aircraft operating throughout the South China Sea in the not so distant future.



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Hours ago the USS Lassen made its way within 12 miles of China’s man-made islands near Subi Reef,…
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When China’s air power is combined with advanced land-based surface-to-air and anti-ship missiles, as well as naval assets, China will be able to switch off access to the South China Sea with a declaration alone. At which point the only option beyond diplomacy is to test their word, and that could be a very messy and deadly proposition to say the least.
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Tyler's blog, while good in some regards, is rather uninformed in others.

J-11Bs as of yet have not demonstrated any strike capability... and the deployment of fighters to Dongxing occasionally is not new. More importantly, his belief that deploying some strike fighters with naval ships and SAMs and AShMs (the latter two of which we see no suggestion of China wanting to deploy) to the reclaimed islands means that China can "control the South China Sea" is incorrect.

He, and other commentators of both amatuer and professional kinds, are now referring every single Chinese military development as one of "anti access and area denial"... which is not always strictly true.
 
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