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I saw an interview on PBS with a soldier who served both in Afghanistan and Iraq and he said that IEDs poses the greatest challenge to U.S. troops since the IED operator doesn't have to physically confront American soldiers in a firefight. I know that American vehicles are being "hardened" against IED attacks (extra armor on the bottom of the vehicle/a "V" shaped bottom that would deflect IED blast) but what are some other measures being taken to protect the soldiers from IEDs (just foot soldiers)?
 

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I saw an interview on PBS with a soldier who served both in Afghanistan and Iraq and he said that IEDs poses the greatest challenge to U.S. troops since the IED operator doesn't have to physically confront American soldiers in a firefight. I know that American vehicles are being "hardened" against IED attacks (extra armor on the bottom of the vehicle/a "V" shaped bottom that would deflect IED blast) but what are some other measures being taken to protect the soldiers from IEDs (just foot soldiers)?

Vehicles are equipped with all sorts of jamming devices for radios, cell phones, etc. that are used to detonate the IEDs. For a while they had Humvees mounted with a heated metal coil on a pole extending out in front of the Humvee so that infra-red detonated IEDs would explode before the actual Humvee was in front of them, but I don't know if they do that anymore. Sometimes foot patrols have bomb sniffing dogs with them. And of course the watchful eyes of soldiers looking for anything suspicious, like a wire, disturbed dirt, a pile of garbage that wasn't there the last time they drove through, whatever. I'm sure there's other tech I don't know about.

After a blast they often have forensic teams that collect bomb remnants and stuff and use it to piece together clues about the identity of bomb-making cells in an area. After years of practice in Iraq they've gotten quite effective, from what I understand.
 

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Vehicles are equipped with all sorts of jamming devices for radios, cell phones, etc. that are used to detonate the IEDs. For a while they had Humvees mounted with a heated metal coil on a pole extending out in front of the Humvee so that infra-red detonated IEDs would explode before the actual Humvee was in front of them, but I don't know if they do that anymore. Sometimes foot patrols have bomb sniffing dogs with them. And of course the watchful eyes of soldiers looking for anything suspicious, like a wire, disturbed dirt, a pile of garbage that wasn't there the last time they drove through, whatever. I'm sure there's other tech I don't know about.

After a blast they often have forensic teams that collect bomb remnants and stuff and use it to piece together clues about the identity of bomb-making cells in an area. After years of practice in Iraq they've gotten quite effective, from what I understand.

Thnx for the answer Finn :D. I didn't know that the Taliban was that "high tech". Looks like the army is gaining experience dealing with guerrilla warfare. May want to teach the Iraqi Army all this experience before pulling out.
 

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Thnx for the answer Finn :D. I didn't know that the Taliban was that "high tech". Looks like the army is gaining experience dealing with guerrilla warfare. May want to teach the Iraqi Army all this experience before pulling out.

Part of the problem is that they're not very high tech at all. Like I said, cell phones, garage door openers, and small timers like the ones you might use in your kitchen are some of the most common ways that IEDs are detonated. Those technologies are so simple and easily modified that they are very hard to counter. Even the infrared detonators are almost always nothing more complicated than what is available in a simple home burglar alarm. In Afghanistan, IEDs are often detonated with pressure plates that are laid in the roadway, which is literally impossible to prevent with electronic jamming. So the DoD has spent a lot of money, possibly billions, on IED solutions, but low tech things like that are just very hard to beat. The countermeasures can increase survivability and force the Taliban to plant more IEDs for each American injured or killed, but they can't make the problem go away.

From what I understand, IED safety is included in the training the Iraqis get (and they have plenty of on-the-job experience with it as well), but I would doubt that they have the same level of jamming/protection kit as the Americans. Also I seem to remember hearing somewhere that American bomb-investigation teams are remaining in Iraq for a while as the Iraqis just can't do that stuff on their own yet (if ever), but I would imagine that forensic bomb investigation is in very high demand in Afghanistan and the top brass would want as many of those units as possible in A-stan.
 

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Part of the problem is that they're not very high tech at all. Like I said, cell phones, garage door openers, and small timers like the ones you might use in your kitchen are some of the most common ways that IEDs are detonated. Those technologies are so simple and easily modified that they are very hard to counter. Even the infrared detonators are almost always nothing more complicated than what is available in a simple home burglar alarm. In Afghanistan, IEDs are often detonated with pressure plates that are laid in the roadway, which is literally impossible to prevent with electronic jamming. So the DoD has spent a lot of money, possibly billions, on IED solutions, but low tech things like that are just very hard to beat. The countermeasures can increase survivability and force the Taliban to plant more IEDs for each American injured or killed, but they can't make the problem go away.

From what I understand, IED safety is included in the training the Iraqis get (and they have plenty of on-the-job experience with it as well), but I would doubt that they have the same level of jamming/protection kit as the Americans. Also I seem to remember hearing somewhere that American bomb-investigation teams are remaining in Iraq for a while as the Iraqis just can't do that stuff on their own yet (if ever), but I would imagine that forensic bomb investigation is in very high demand in Afghanistan and the top brass would want as many of those units as possible in A-stan.

Another question regarding the high tech jamming that the U.S. forces employ against the Taliban garage openers/cell phones. Does the device generate disruptive signals of multiple frequencies or does it employ some other method? You can't really anticipate what frequency the bomb detonator uses.

Also if you have a picture of the jammer can you post a picture on this thread. I'd be very interested to see it/learn about the working mechanics. Thank you.
 

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siegecrossbow I read on line some years ago that mich opf the jamming of IEDs is done by USN E/A-6B Prowlers.

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A U.S. Army helicopter takes off carrying wounded soldiers, injured in a roadside bomb in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Monday, Aug. 30, 2010. Eyewitnesses say a U.S. military vehicle caught fire after having been struck by a roadside bomb in southern Afghanistan's volatile Kandahar city. The armored Humvee was hit Monday in a residential area of Afghanistan's second largest city while returning as part of a convoy from an unknown mission.


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Sergeant Cole Reele secures the area near medevac UH-60A Black Hawk helicopter from 101st Airborne division, Task Force Destiny during a short landing at the desert in Kandahar province August 30, 2010.


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A U.S. Army soldier secures the area near the scene of a road side bomb explosion, near medevac UH-60A Black Hawk helicopter from 101st Airborne division, Task Force Destiny in Kandahar province August 30, 2010.


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Staff Sergeant James Shields on board a medevac UH-60A Black Hawk helicopter from the 101st Airborne division, Task Force Destiny, prepares an infusion for a soldier wounded in the leg, while flying over Kandahar province, August 29, 2010.
 

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KUNAR PROVINCE, Afghanistan - U.S. Army Spc. Matthew L. Miller of Streetsboro, Ohio, a grenadier with Company A, 2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment, Task Force No Slack, provides security for his unit during a visit with Afghan community farmers and leaders near Combat Outpost Monti in eastern Afghanistan's Kunar province Aug. 17. International Security Assistance Forces checked surrounding farmlands where crops need to be cut back to help provide better security for the base and the farmers compensated for their cooperation. (Photo by U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Gary A. Witte, 300th Mobile Public Affairs Detachment)
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KUNAR PROVINCE, Afghanistan – U.S. Army soldiers with Company A, 2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment, Task Force No Slack, take cover and return fire during an Aug. 18 attack against troops visiting the village of Spinkay in eastern Afghanistan’s Kunar province. One U.S. Army Soldier was wounded during the insurgent attack, which included the use of mortars, small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades against International Security Assistance and Afghan National Security Forces. (Photos by U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Gary A. Witte, 300th Mobile Public Affairs Detachment)
 
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U.S. Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Kevin M. Kaleda, left, and Petty Officer 3rd Class David E. Jones perform maintenance on an F/A-18F Super Hornet in the hangar bay aboard the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush in the Atlantic Ocean, Aug. 21, 2010. The George H.W. Bush is conducting training in the Atlantic Ocean. Both are assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron 106. U.S. Navy photo by Seaman Betsy Lynn Knapper


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A U.S. pararescueman secures a sector of the landing zone before assisting “injured” personnel during an exercise on Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan, Aug. 21. 2010. The exercise tested the rescue squadron’s ability to provide medical aid to U.S. and coalition forces. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Christopher Boitz


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100824-N-3904I-001 ARABIAN SEA (Aug. 24, 2010) Aircraft are prepared for launch aboard the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) during night flight operations. Harry S. Truman is part of the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike group deployed supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Ensign Dusan Ilic/Released)


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100823-F-6228L-042 PAKTIKA PROVINCE, Afghanistan (Aug. 23, 2010) Gas Turbine System Technician (Mechanical) 3rd Class Dain Dillon, from Miami Fla., an Individual Augmentee assigned to the Paktika Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT) as a convoy driver, right, and an Asia Security Group guardsman perform tower watch at a forward operating base. The Paktika PRT is a joint team assisting the Afghanistan government with governance, development, agricultural and security initiatives. Dillon is assigned to Assault Craft Unit (ACU) 4 based at Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Story, Va. (U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Demetrius Lester/Released)


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U.S. Air Force Airman 1st Class Anthony Anderson (left) holds a bomb in place as Staff Sgt. Misty Lowe tightens its super bolt at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan, on Aug. 23, 2010. The airmen are munitions systems specialists with the 451st Expeditionary Maintenance Squadron Munitions Flight. DoD photo by Tech. Sgt. Chad Chisholm, U.S. Air Force. (Released)


 

siegecrossbow

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siegecrossbow I read on line some years ago that much of the jamming of IEDs is done by USN E/A-6B Prowlers.

Thnx for the answer! I didn't know they had to call in big boys like the prowlers to jam little IEDs! Couldn't they fix jamming devices to warthogs or UAVs instead? I'm sure that the cost per mission for the prowler is probably a lot higher than that of a warthog or UAV.
 
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