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The author of this
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as well as the upcoming book
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from which it was excerpted, Seth Harp, Esq. can at times get a little too cynical about the volume of organized crime prevailing through the branches of the DoD.

Unsurprisingly, Seth was a criminal prosecutor in Texas prior to turning to investigative journalism.


OTOH, broadly speaking, Seth is not "making shit up:" there is indeed a not insignificant amount of criminality within the ranks of the US military, even if it is generally speaking more petty and opportunistic than organized or conspiratorial. However, who wants to read about sketchy NCOs
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TBF, the US military is a reflection of broader American society: just as crime is unavoidably abundant in any American municipality of over a hundred thousand souls — let alone a city of a million — it's only natural that crime, including of the organized variety, would be found within
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While some of you may find it easy — or easier than usual — to dismiss the US military wholesale after reading his new book or even just this excerpt, I encourage y'all to receive Seth's writing as a study into a lesser known, yet fascinating, if not inevitable facet of military society.

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I enjoyed Seth Harp's appearances on the War Nerd podcast:
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(May 2022) and
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(March 2023). I recall them touching on Seth's previous reporting including on Special Forces culture in at least one of those episodes. Not sure if either episode is available without subscription at those links, but I believe they can be found elsewhere too.

Just noting that Seth Harp has made another guest appearance on the
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to promote the above mentioned book. The direct link to the episode is
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Listening to the catalogue of US special forces bodies in this episode reminds me that one of the most striking things about the United States is the sheer profusion of law enforcement, intelligence and military bodies. There are so many fiefdoms, each with its own lord, each jealously guarding its privileges against encroachment by others. One could argue that the United States is a very large country and that this multiplicity is simply a function of scale, but I'm not at all convinced by that explanation, and I suspect there are much richer explanations to be found.
 

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"One key goal for Golden Dome is to shoot targets down during their “boost phase,” the slow and predictable climb through the Earth's atmosphere of a missile. Rather, it seeks to field space-based interceptors that can more quickly intercept incoming missiles."

New tech and cheaper space lift will open up space-based missile defence options but the hardest part is actually solved (data transport layer via a pLEO network). The real question is can all the subcontractors do this affordably. Golden Dome is a meshed network of tracking, data management and decision making, and only then the 'shooter layer', which is currently believe to be satellites carrying missiles and directed energy payloads.

One interesting consequence of Golden Dome is the end of the Outer Space Treaty as we know it which will give other countries some new ideas of their own. There are criticisms within the Senate Armed Services Committee about this: : does the US really want to play this game during a time when its undergoing its own modernization? The opportunity cost is huge and they need to go about this very carefully imo. There is a video of Senator Mark Kelly questioning SecDef about the feasibility.
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The operators were forever playing pranks on the Cover Girls, packing their desks with plastic explosives, for example, or coming down from the team bays with savage war dogs straining against their leashes to frighten the women who were afraid of dogs. “It was not a professional environment,” said Williams, and Licea agreed. “Having worked in corporate America prior to going to the unit,” Licea said, “this stuff would never fly. You’d be fired.”

Fat people on the support staff were relentlessly mocked. A soldier of Asian descent was called a “chink” to his face. The boozing in the team bays inevitably degenerated into obstreperous roughhousing. “That’s it, we’re not fucking drinking anymore,” a sergeant major would bellow in frustration. “You guys are out of control.” But the dry spells never lasted long. “It was like they were trying to herd cattle,” said Williams, “or take care of a bunch of children.”

The operators who came down to Williams’ office for paperwork purposes routinely propositioned her for sex. “The comments were just ridiculous,” she said. “Don’t you think your job would be better,” one man said, boldly looking her right in the eyes, “if you were under the desk sucking my dick?” Others massaged her shoulders, took big whiffs of her hair, made comments about the size of her breasts or drunkenly proposed marriage. A besotted sergeant major often seen walking around with a beer in one hand and a tomahawk in the other once punctuated his declarations of affection by hurling his ax into the wall.
Typical Dothraki Ameriatic horde vibes.
One day over lunch in the dining facility, seated across the table from the commander of the intelligence squadron, Williams raised the possibility of deploying with the unit overseas, as support staff often do, and which would have been a boon to her professionally. Her boss’s reaction caught her completely off guard. He started laughing hysterically, hitting the table with his hands. “You’re not hired to be deployed with the operators,” he told her once he’d regained his composure. “You were hired for your assets,” he said, making a hefting gesture at chest level, “and if they want you to deploy with them, it’s because they all want to fucking run a train on you.”
The Japanese used foreign women as comfort women for their army, the Americans use their own.
 

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Just noting that Seth Harp has made another guest appearance on the
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to promote the above mentioned book. The direct link to the episode is
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Thank you for sharing the new War Nerd episode featuring Seth Harp! Took me a couple of days to get through all 104 minutes, but glad to have tuned in: definitely added to my reading of his body of work.

While I applaud Seth's empathy as a man, a veteran and an author, he really needs to take the claims of his subjects' ex-gfs with more salt.

In the US and I can only assume other Western countries, girls who date SOF operators, intelligence officers, military aviators (especially fighter pilots), and relatively elite LEOs (e.g. SWAT officers, USSS, FBI, etc.) — men whose chosen professions have been mysticized — tend to enjoy bragging about their bfs' status, if not exploits. This sort of behavior — however natural and to be expected — inevitably amplifies the already exaggerated tales of heroism and fortitude that such men may have recounted to bed them, win them back and/or keep them interested.

The other thing to keep in mind is that a relatively disproportionate number of operators and operatives have "complicated love lives" (less so with enablers), especially at JSOC due to the intense OPTEMPO. Even when you're CONUS, you'll find yourself constantly away from home on TDY for all sorts of courses and exercises, or so I've been told.

Inevitably, a sliver of these characters — by absolutely no means all or most of them — have few, if any qualms about lying to the girls they date because:

1. it'll get you laid;

2. you're probably a TDY or two away from parting ways anyhow; and

3. you're arguably less likely to jeopardize your clearance over classified pillow talk that's been grossly contaminated with disinformation.

Granted — and perhaps to the surprise of some cynics — there are plenty of guys with amazingly solid marriages, despite frequent absences from home. However, those stories are not quite as compelling or interesting to the majority of Seth's audience.

Seth deserves some kudos for his willingness to humanize men like the late
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: despite their demons — and the toll their chosen profession inflicted upon them — none of these operators would have ever made it through A&S, never mind OTC unless they were squared away both physically and mentally, especially in terms of "street smarts."

Listening to the catalogue of US special forces bodies in this episode reminds me that one of the most striking things about the United States is the sheer profusion of law enforcement, intelligence and military bodies. There are so many fiefdoms, each with its own lord, each jealously guarding its privileges against encroachment by others. One could argue that the United States is a very large country and that this multiplicity is simply a function of scale, but I'm not at all convinced by that explanation, and I suspect there are much richer explanations to be found.

The phenomenon you described can be broken down in a multitude of ways and examined from a number of lenses.

However, the best explanation I've ever heard — from a jurist over drinks nonetheless, and this attempt to summarily retell it ain't going to do it justice — is simply: common law.

The American system of governance is rooted in and developed from English common law, which has been known for its relatively decentralized system of rule since the Magna Carta was enshrined in the 13th century.

On top of underpinning America's federal system, the decentralizing effects of common law have been further amplified by both the sheer size of the country, — as you highlighted — as well as the twists and turns of American history.

When the American colonies first rebelled against the British crown, the treasonous colonial elite organized their polity under the Articles of Confederation, which created a structural construct closer to what the EU looks like now than what the US is today.

The Articles of Confederation were replaced by the Constitution in 1789, but intense competition between multiple centers of power continued, and culminated in the Civil War in 1861 over states' rights. Even to this day, the issue of states' rights remains somewhat relevant, and also why the American legal system is absurdly complicated: every state has a slightly different set of laws (it's why recreational cannabis is permissible in some states, but technically completely illegal in others).

The American founding fathers' desire for "checks and balances" created a system of governance that offered significant and beneficent flexibility in addressing and accounting for local priorities and preferences, but that's also largely why we have more lawyers per capita than any other country.

Within the broader context of the podcast episode and Seth's new book,
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, one consideration worth highlighting is that the civilian prosecutors and judges in and around Fayetteville aren't necessarily simply looking the other way when certain SOF operators break the law out of corruption or fear, but rather deferring the carriage of justice to the offending soldiers' chain of command, which is hardly novel.

Likewise, if the late MSG Lavigne was indeed killed by his own brothers in arms, as Mr. Harp insinuated, then that would arguably represent military justice by decimation, which could not possibly have been easy for those tasked with — and pained by — carrying it out.
 
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