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General Hyten is responding to the threat that China and Russia are building now against the United States, he's reminding us that we need to be vigilant and prepare to defend ourselves.
Wouldn't you council a nation to defend themselves against a developing threat?
that's a very high definition picture of the F-22, note you can count every rivet! it does make it easy to see where carbon fiber has been used extensively on the F-22 for control surfaces, large skins, etc, etc, very slik picture of a very slik aircraft!
Jura The idiot
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OK I give up, without counting rivets LOL
yep, you might try that instead of "counting sheep"? I don't think we're getting enough sleep?? how many rivets are there on an F-22 anyway, somebody, somewhere knows that....
Hyperwarp
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Russia is fine. They have thousands of nukes and necessary delivery systems.
But for China, it is the other way around. They have a no 1st use policy. They have a much smaller nuclear arsenal and delivery systems. With the ever-growing US ground-based ABM systems and future sea-based ABM systems, China has to either strip their no 1st use policy and build A LOT more nukes or alternatively develop systems that can penetrate ABM systems to hit selected targets in the ConUS. The US is going put multiple KKV in a single GBI soon. Don't forget a single Ohio class SSBN has 24 tubes each carrying a Trident II D5 SLBM, and each SLBM can carry 8 to 12 MIRV. That is almost the entire Chinese nuclear arsenal in just one SSBN and the USN has 18 Ohio class SSBN. So from the perspective of China, they are merely responding to a massive potential threat. They are quite vulnerable to a 1st strike and require sophisticated systems to penetrate any ABM system. They need to heavily increase warhead survivability due to their small arsenal. This where the HGVs (and Waiveriders) come in, along with the new mobile ICBMs like DF-31AG and DF-41 that can be hidden away in case of a 1st strike.
So the comments by the General Hytenis, is........ well.......... laughable.
You and I both know the US is not gonna first strike anybody, unless that entity is preparing to first strike the US or our allies! It's simply NOT in our psyche,,, but we will be glad to hammer anybody that does?? so laugh all you want, General Hytens is simply reminding those bearing responsibility for our defense and the people of the United States, who and what the threat is.
Hyperwarp
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It IS very laughable to put China in the same list as Russia. China is a nation of a puny nuclear arsenal with an official "No-1st-use" policy compared to the Russians. Understand, the Chinese perspective when they see ever more sophisticated US ABM systems popping up especially the future Aegis-based ABM systems with potential multiple KKV. You and I may think the US will not 1st-strike China, but that is not a chance the Chinese leadership will ever take. Regarding the Russians, yes fine. They not only try to meddle in your elections in a big way (which is literally an act of war) but they also have the worlds largest arsenal and has "Mutually Assured Destruction" capability. China only has a somewhat "Credible Minimum Deterrence" and they have to preserve that. The alternative is to build up a massive arsenal. Understand, it is actually more responsible of China to maintain small but survivable arsenal and thats where new hypersonic weapons come in. For the moment French actually have a better Deterrence than China with their Triomphant-class armed with M51SLBM. Off-course, conventianally armed hypersonic weapons are fair-game for all side.
Well stated, you did concede that you yourself do NOT believe the US will first strike, (they won't), so if you and I are able to figure that out, lets not pretend the Chinese are ignorant. The American Psyche isn't a mystery, nor are the Chinese a mystery either? Its easy to vilify the US, and use "fear" to justify "amping up" the tension in the SCS and ECS, by building those amazing islands and proclaiming those as sovereign territory and the US as the "bad guys" when we continue FON exercises??
Honestly, with the North Korean threats against South Korea, Japan, Guam, and Hawaii?? do you really think China doesn't grasp the concept of the US and our Allies taking defensive action?
So when General Hyten points out the obvious, he's honestly doing his job.
Hyperwarp
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Off-course I don't think the US will 1st-strike China. But, thats just me
. Who am I? You can't expect others to have the same attitude. Others maybe a lot more skeptical.Regarding those islands, if China gets too aggressive and impeded FON the US can simply deal with them by conventional means and quite swiftly. Nobody can match the conventional power of the USN let alone the combined power of the US armed forces. Cruise missiles fired from SSN/SSGN as well as aerial platforms like the B-2/B-21 and even the good old B-52 can take them out from a stand-off range (I deliberately excluded the surface fleet to reduce potential loses). The US has plenty of experience when dealing with small islands like that.
Conventionally warfare was not my point here. It is not a question of vilification of the US. The point is China needs a small yet survivable nuclear deterrence and that now includes hypersonic weapons to penetrate potential ABM systems. Putting China in the same list as Russia is weird. Russia is actively working on destabilizing the US and Putin has achieved that somewhat by pinning the Red vs Blue in a toxic way. In-contrast, the last thing China wants is an unstable US. Richer the US is better for business.