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szbd

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Why they wanna to put aircrafts worth $100m each to iraq? This plane is not designed for this kind of thing.
 

bd popeye

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Why they wanna to put aircrafts worth $100m each to iraq? This plane is not designed for this kind of thing.

The Osprey is designed to take the place of the aging CH-53 and CH-46 helos in the USMC inventory.

Please read about the V-22 Osprey here.

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The V-22 is being developed to perform United States Marine Corps (USMC), United States Navy(USN), and United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) combat missions. The V-22 design, incorporating advanced but mature technology proven in the XV-15 tiltrotor demonstrators, V-22 Full Scale Development (FSD) models, and V-22 Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) models, takes advantage of proven technology in composite materials, digital fly-by-wire flight controls, and advanced survivability and crashworthiness. A tiltrotor combines the speed, range and fuel efficiency normally associated with turboprop aircraft with the vertical take-off/landing and hover capabilities of helicopters. The tiltrotor aircraft represents a major technological breakthrough in aviation that meets long standing military needs.

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Testing has confirmed key advantages in range, speed, and payload, in comparison to current rotary-wing aircraft that are inherent to the tilt-rotor concept. In the planning and execution of missions, these three improved characteristics of range, speed, and payload can be interchanged and utilized in countless ways. Together they provide a major step ahead in tactical flexibility. For example, the increased range of the MV-22 (as compared to the CH-46 and CH-53 helicopters) enables the execution of combat assaults at extended ranges. The ensuing greater radius of action will allow the Landing Force Commander more options in LZ selection, enabling the force to go where the enemy isn't. This increased range can also be employed to provide reduced exposure of the LHA/LHD platform to shore threats. In raid or Other Expeditionary Operations, MV-22s will be able to launch at a greater distance, employing greater speed to get to the objective area hours before such an operation using CH-46s. In medical evacuations, the longer legs, greater speed available, coupled with the point-to-point VSTOL capability of the V-22 will save lives.
 

szbd

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Yes I've read this kind of information. But, CH46 is still in service and I don't see what special job in Iraq must be done by V22. Also 1 V22 worth 4 CH46 I think? I think the main advantage of V22 is in amphibious assult.
 

Jeff Head

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Yes I've read this kind of information. But, CH46 is still in service and I don't see what special job in Iraq must be done by V22. Also 1 V22 worth 4 CH46 I think? I think the main advantage of V22 is in amphibious assult.

The tilt-rotor aircraft can take off like a helicopter but fly like a plane, enabling it to fly faster and higher than traditional helicopters.

This means it is less likely to be shot down.

The Osprey can fly approximately 15,000 feet higher, approximately 115 mph faster, and over 100 miles further carrying the same load as the Sea Knight.

The CH-46 is also used for amphibious assault, but also for purely land based missions.

If you have an aircraft in the Osprey that can fly both higher and faster in the accomplishment of those missions, you have an aircraft that would be less likely to be able to be shot down by an enemy armed with something that can reach the Ch46, but may not reach the Osprey.
 

crazyinsane105

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My personal feeling is that the factions fighting the US and colition partners in Iraq cannot be trusted.

Right on popeye. The fact is that most of the coalition casualties are by these same nationalistic groups who are now fighting Al Qaeda. The Islamic Army of Iraq is made up of mostly Sunnis but also a reasonable number of Shias. They're Saddam's old men, men from the Special Republican Guard and Fayadeen. The IAI is one of the most powerful insurgent groups operating in Iraq, and they and other groups like the 1920's Revolutionary Brigades and Swords of Revenge are causing most of the US casualties in Iraq. They now want to destroy Al Qaeda, a group that causes most of the civilian casualties in Iraq. So once Al Qaeda is either killed or severely weakned, these nationalistic groups will once again turn their guns on the US and coalition. So arming these groups is probably one of the most insane ideas out of all the insane ideas since the war started. I think the most the US should do is just provide them air or ground support in their operations against Al Qaeda, but actually providing weaponry to them is not a good decision.
 

crazyinsane105

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Well, the intelligence and knowledge of the local conditions and additional manpower they provide is invaluable in such operations and most definitely worth it. These aren't jihadists, BTW.

They refer to themselves as jihadists all the time. They were the ones that released the Juba sniping videos as well. As a matter of fact, they are the ones that have revolutionized guerilla warfare by recording and displaying their operations online, Al Qaeda caught on quite later. They aren't very trustworthy and shouldn't be provided with weaponry.
 

szbd

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The tilt-rotor aircraft can take off like a helicopter but fly like a plane, enabling it to fly faster and higher than traditional helicopters.

This means it is less likely to be shot down.

The Osprey can fly approximately 15,000 feet higher, approximately 115 mph faster, and over 100 miles further carrying the same load as the Sea Knight.

The CH-46 is also used for amphibious assault, but also for purely land based missions.

If you have an aircraft in the Osprey that can fly both higher and faster in the accomplishment of those missions, you have an aircraft that would be less likely to be able to be shot down by an enemy armed with something that can reach the Ch46, but may not reach the Osprey.

OK, this is a good point, fly higher and faster. Let's see their performance. Is army getting the same thing? Or any plan?

Thanks crazy. I will say it again..How can you trust anyone who has sworn to see you dead unless you become like they are?? I don't.

Geee, of course there's nobody can be trust by US in iraq. Look what US have done to iraq, how could anybody wish to really coorperate with US. I'm wondering if US understands the real situation in iraq. It is just impossible to create a representitive government when nobody wants to be represented.
 
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Jeff Head

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Geee, of course there's nobody can be trust by US in iraq. Look what US have done to iraq, how could anybody wish to really coorperate with US. I'm wondering if US understands the real situation in iraq. It is just impossible to create a representitive government when nobody wants to be represented.
All those purple fingers...several times...and under the threat of death to the Iraqis who voted by the same jihadists...tell a different story. But let's not go there in this dicsussion, it will end up just getting the thread closed.
 

bd popeye

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Gentlemen, lets not get political in nature in our discussion. Continue to post US military news only. limit your discussion to military matters only. You don't want to suffer the same fate as BLUEJACKET.

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