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No...these are just claims. And the overall AEGIS system is not what they would be jamming in any case.
Think about the relative amount of power available to an SU-24 and the amount available to a Burke class DDG for EW. That will lead to some obvious conclusions about overall jamming ability one to another.
Now, with the proper EW pods, they might be able to pull off specialized jamming no doubt...but I do not recall seeing such pods in the pictures of the fly overs...and active jamming like that would be viewed very seriously...a hostile associated with an attack.
Very dangerous and something the US would have either reacted to very directly at the time...or would have registered a much stronger complaint internationally at the time.
Brumby
Major
Jeff,
What is the SOP and authority given to the Captain when in a situation of active jamming? Is the Captain authorised to take whatever measures to protect the vessel including firing upon the aircraft or is the authority threat level dependent? Is there some kind of official protocol where it is made known to the Russians that there are certain lines that they can't cross without inviting some kind of defensive measures including actively engaging the source of the threat. Given the news regarding Russian provocative activities, I was just wondering how does this work in reality.
The commanding officer of a US Naval war vessel is given broad discretion (and the accountability that goes with it) to protect their vessel from harm. So, it depends on the event.
Soviet aircraft did attempt to, and succeed in "buzzing" US groups, just like the ones did in the Black Sea recently.
However, actively jamming detection and guidance systems is a completely different matter.
To test such capabilities for very short duration occurred on occasion, but not often, and that was a very dicey and dangerous game. Any serious jamming of weapons systems would be viewed as an act of combat because it is exactly the type of thing that is a precursor to attack... it could very easily result in a serious incident.
THAT did not happen very often if ever. If it did, and there was not obvious results from it (either an aircraft or vessel being damaged or destroyed...or very loud and serious international protests)...then we would not know about it in any case. If such a thing did occur... to this day any revelation of it on either side would still be highly classified.
Thunder, what happened way back then is not US Military News...as I tried to explain in my last post.
You posted a part, I responded.
That was enough OT for this thread. I have moved all of that discussion to a new thread in the Military History section:
Cold War Era US/NATO and USSR/Warsaw Pact encounters
Take any further discussion there.
You posted a part, I responded.
That was enough OT for this thread. I have moved all of that discussion to a new thread in the Military History section:
Cold War Era US/NATO and USSR/Warsaw Pact encounters
Take any further discussion there.
Brumby
Major
With regard to A-10 retention vs F-35 rollback, while it would be lovely to keep both, the F-35 is of "strategic" importance to the USA and the A-10 is tactical, to roll the F-35 back to retain the A-10 is to ignore what is currently unfolding in the world around us, and is utter "foolishness"... would someone please link one of the many current articles regarding Russian Combat Air Patrols in and around US and Europe?
Actually we need to dig out some really ratty old F-4s to do some automated intercepts in the Gulf of Mexico, kind of RPV antique against the Bear Bear antiques, those old Bears are going to take an awful lot of wrenching to maintain airworthiness standards, prolly will start seeing some engine failures, etc, etc, as they break on these very long combat air patrols, pitty the Russian aircrew who have to ride these old bombers into the sunset????
Brumby
Major
The IOC date for the F-35A is 2017/2018 (from memory) which I think is tied to the software block release so that it is weapon enabled. In the near term, should there be any contemplated plans to roll Soviet tanks across the fields of Europe, the A-10 will be a strong deterrent. Putin seems to only recognise power, the type that is capable and available. The F-35 will be practically irrelevant until it gets to the needed software block releases no matter how strategic it might be for the future. Currently the software testing on the F-35B is 13 months behind schedule and in my view the targeted IOC for 2016 is highly questionable unless they change the hurdle of IOC.
Keeping the A-10 and packing them off to Europe in my view sends a strong message to Putin - the only type he seems to understand.
Go to the boneyard and dust off 20 or so B-52s.
They have carried actual aircraft in the past, and are still capable of carrying many Tomahawks, which are, in essence UAVs themselves.
The latest Tomahawk IVs and particularly the tactical Tomahawks are capable of attacking, of using their data link to be rerouted to different targets, of performing BDA, etc. A UAV that returned to the B-52 could probably be developed with some sort of capture mechanism from the Stratofortress Bombay that "caught" the returning UAV when air speed and proper altitudes with requisite separations were established.
Then haul it back into the bombay and store the thing.
Probably could not get a more capable "mothership," IMHO.